Nickel City Dude Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 This is a little off topic but I need the opinion of some fellow Masons. I make and sell little wooden temples containing Corn, Wine and Oil for the Fellowcraft degree. I have two versions of it and I would like to get the opinion from you as to which one is better. Both are made of wood. One is stained and varnished and the other is painted white. I have attached a picture of them both. Please let me know which one you would choose if you had to lay out $18 for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I am not a Mason-I do like the one on the right mo-better. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Both are nice but I prefer the stained version on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Corn or wheat? Although "corn" used to be the term for any grain, not just maize. I find it interesting that Masons have a ceremony with grain, wine, and oil. The Orthodox still use the fairly ancient ceremony of the "Lity" (supplication) during Great Vespers after which God is asked to bless 5 small loaves of bread, a small amount of grain (usually wheat, and I think it is just in the Russian Typicon), a cruet of wine, and one of oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 39 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Corn or wheat? Although "corn" used to be the term for any grain, not just maize. I find it interesting that Masons have a ceremony with grain, wine, and oil. The Orthodox still use the fairly ancient ceremony of the "Lity" (supplication) during Great Vespers after which God is asked to bless 5 small loaves of bread, a small amount of grain (usually wheat, and I think it is just in the Russian Typicon), a cruet of wine, and one of oil. In Freemasonry Corn (wheat) Wine and Oil are the wages of a Fellowcraft (2nd Degree) and we symbolically pay all our new Fellowcrafts there wages at the end of the Degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Nickel City Dude said: Freemasonry Corn (wheat) Wine and Oil are the wages of a Fellowcraft (2nd Degree) and we symbolically pay all our new Fellowcrafts there wages at the end of the Degree. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duffield, SASS #23454 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I like the stained version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I am not a Mason-I do like the one on the right mo-better. OLG +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Thanks for the feedback. The idea of the white one is to simulate the stone that was used for making temple buildings. But most of the furnishings in a lodge room are stained wood with a clear coating. I have been making and selling the ones with the stained wood finish for a few years now and I just figured I would solicit some opinions on the white finish experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nickel City Dude said: Thanks for the feedback. The idea of the white one is to simulate the stone that was used for making temple buildings. But most of the furnishings in a lodge room are stained wood with a clear coating. I have been making and selling the ones with the stained wood finish for a few years now and I just figured I would solicit some opinions on the white finish experiment. I had been thinking about the two, and, not being a Mason, I wasn't going to comment, but came back to give my opinion and saw this. That is my reasoning - the painted both looks more like stonework AND looks more finished. Unless you were going to put about 20 coats of hand-rubbed wax on the stained one, for the purpose you are making them, I would suggest the painted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Brown Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Being a Mason for 48 years, I prefer the white one as stated is more stone like, as the Temples were the Degree work was done. Both are great. Bulldog Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: the painted both looks more like stonework 13 minutes ago, Bulldog Brown said: Being a Mason for 48 years, I prefer the white one as stated is more stone like, as the Temples were the Degree work was done. Both are great. Bulldog Brown In that context I would agree 100% that the painted one is the best choice. To the initiated, the symbolism would not be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I am not a Mason. At first glance I would pick the stained version as more appealing. However I am a model railroader. If your purpose was to more closely simulate the stone of the temple there are techniques that would come closer than white paint. Even a light grey spray paint would come close. Acrylic paints brushed in would give more texture and could have some slight color variations blended in to simulate variations in the stone. my $.02 Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I like the white one for the reasons stated. Good job Brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie T Waite Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 As previously stated, white being more centered to our historic labors should be more symbolic of the craft to an initiate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The white looks like a building of stone. The stained is beautiful but has a spice rack feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 PM 584, 13th District, Grand Jurisdiction of Ohio. For its symbolic value, the painted. My personal preference, the wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Gray, #36839 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Another + for the white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 19 hours ago, Nickel City Dude said: Thanks for the feedback. The idea of the white one is to simulate the stone that was used for making temple buildings. But most of the furnishings in a lodge room are stained wood with a clear coating. I have been making and selling the ones with the stained wood finish for a few years now and I just figured I would solicit some opinions on the white finish experiment. What do you get for the stained ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: What do you get for the stained ones? They are both the same price ($18 + 7.50 shipping) I only have the one white one because it is just a prototype, but I have pleanty of stained ones. You can contact me direct, here is my email address. t.schultz5@roadrunner.com NCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Sent you am email...want the white one if available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Got your email and will send you the white one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 On 12/10/2018 at 6:57 AM, Charlie T Waite said: As previously stated, white being more centered to our historic labors should be more symbolic of the craft to an initiate Now-Know'n the why of the white one, I agree about the white. TNX for the posts of the 'why', for using the white color. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie T Waite Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 13 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Now-Know'n the why of the white one, I agree about the white. TNX for the posts of the 'why', for using the white color. OLG Scottish Rite since 1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Now-Know'n the why of the white one, I agree about the white. TNX for the posts of the 'why', for using the white color. OLG OLG....It's not too late for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 Thanks for all the replys. I made more of the white ones and have them on ebay for sale. I will see how they go and make my decision about the finish once I have a good selling record of the white ones. Thanks again for the help. NCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Rec'd one of the white ones, very nice. We will be using it in our next Fellowcraft Degree. Thanks for your craftsmanship Brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsoldier181 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 I personally like the white one, more representative of Solomons Temple. Are you selling these? My brother is being raised sometime this year in Lacey, WA. I will be attending his 3rd, and this would be a great gift for him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 Yes, I have them for sale. They are $18 + $7.50 shipping. You can contact me by email at t.schultz5@roadrunner.com NCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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