Trigger Mike Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I have out off buying a Kimber hunting rifle for years now. My local dealer had one in 3006 two years ago but someone else bought it while I hesitated. Looked at the 308 version the other day and the owner (who lives down the road from me and whose grandfather farmed the land I live on now) heard me ask about 3006 so he got a Kimber 84M in 3006 which is the budget version for 899. Since I am old and don't want to add to my collection and am old and hate spending money I took an extra M1 Garand to see how he would do. In a small town there are a few military collectors but not a lot. Military arms do not seem to go well around here like they did when I lived near Atlanta. I took in a Springfield with correct 7-43 barrel, prod, trigger group and bolt and such and told the son the only part I knew for sure was not original was the safety. HE asked how did I know and I told him it is marked HRA and he said that HRA was who made them implying it was correct and that the barrel needed to have the same serial number to be correct which I showed him the book to show him the codes it needed to have. I knew then they knew nothing about what they were doing and it would not go well. They came back with 600. I left with it. I even showed him it had the correct sling and cleaning kit in the stock. I am about to talk myself out of getting a kimber and hunt with what I hunt with now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catlow4697 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Sell the Grand at a gun show then buy the Kimber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bearded Wonder Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 The guy sounds like the average idiot, Harrington & Richardson didnt get their contract till 1952. If your Springfield has GI wood with a decent Cartouche it should bring a pretty penny at a gun show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 what's worse after he came back with the offer of 600 from his dad, the son who is in his 60s said they have two already on the back shelf, which are not Garands but M1a rifles from Springfield. NO WHERE NEAR the same thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 the cartouche is faded out and the stock has storage dings in it, but the rifle itself has mostly original parts and is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bearded Wonder Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: the cartouche is faded out and the stock has storage dings in it, but the rifle itself has mostly original parts and is accurate. Most are hard to see after so many years, I wouldn't worry about dents and dings on a GI stock, they give it more character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I think you should keep it, personally. Anyone with no respect or appreciation for Garands doesn't even deserve to touch one. And yeah... gun store idiots... we won't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 I am unfamiliar with the term “extra Garand”. Any time a guy talks about matching numbers in a Garand he is clueless. I don’t know the condition of your piece ir the chamber and muzzle grades but cerainly the market price should start at 900 bucks and go quickly up. Whats the receiver serial number dated at? Is it also ‘43? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 Serial number is may 43 according to my book. 2 muzzle wear and 3 throat erosion. Cmp sold it to me as a field grade a while back. I call it extra since it is my worst condition one . It shoots great and metal is good and wood typical. I never shoot it anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Trigger Mike said: Serial number is may 43 according to my book. 2 muzzle wear and 3 throat erosion. Cmp sold it to me as a field grade a while back. I call it extra since it is my worst condition one . It shoots great and metal is good and wood typical. I never shoot it anymore Yeah. Easily 900+ on the open market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 I am not a Garand expert, but IIRC the numbers on the pieces, may be drawing numbers, hence they should not match! Anyway, the military was not interested in keeping matching numbers, just having a good, serviceable piece (rifle). If an armor artificer needed to replace a part to make the rifle work, he just replaced it, without worrying about matching the numbers! I am suspicious of those "pieces" that have "all numbers matching," because they probably went no further than an ROTC drill team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, Trailrider #896 said: I am not a Garand expert, but IIRC the numbers on the pieces, may be drawing numbers, hence they should not match! Anyway, the military was not interested in keeping matching numbers, just having a good, serviceable piece (rifle). If an armor artificer needed to replace a part to make the rifle work, he just replaced it, without worrying about matching the numbers! I am suspicious of those "pieces" that have "all numbers matching," because they probably went no further than an ROTC drill team! Correct. The only serial numbered part on a Garand is the receiver. The other parts have drawing numbers. 5he drawing numbers vary with each modification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Not a Garand but my M1903 barrel was made 11 years before the receiver. Barrel cartouche decodes to 1928 mfg. Receiver S/N and design places it at 1939. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grenadier Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: Not a Garand but my M1903 barrel was made 11 years before the receiver. Barrel cartouche decodes to 1928 mfg. Receiver S/N and design places it at 1939. Well, that would be highly unusual for an issue Springfield. Normally it’s the other way around, an older receiver with a newer barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted November 22, 2018 Share Posted November 22, 2018 Sounds like he and his boy missed out on a good deal. If you were closer, I'd go buy a Kimber to make that trade. Have you tried the local online classifieds? Word of mouth only travels so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted November 22, 2018 Author Share Posted November 22, 2018 We have another local dealer who travels to gun shows to sell so I may put it on consignment. I didn't feel like shipping but I may list it here and the cmp forum. If I do I will throw in a bayonet and probably a cartridge belt from ww2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 19 hours ago, grenadier said: Well, that would be highly unusual for an issue Springfield. Normally it’s the other way around, an older receiver with a newer barrel. Based on the fact that the magazine floor plate was pinned shut with a brass pin and the bolt has 4 digits etched into it; looks like my rifle spent WWII on loan to the Greeks. The bolt numbers were the last 4 of the S/N of the rifle when it was first received by the Greeks. When the Greeks returned them after the war the bolts were removed to render them inoperative. Once the government gave them to the CMP. The boxes of bolts were fitted to rifles. As long as the headspace was good there was no effort made to match bolts to the rifles they were originally installed in. Like a Garand with matching #s a M1903 whose bolt numbers match the receiver S/N is likely a counterfeit. Unless an exceptionally good providence is provided. Research I did showed that between WWI and WWII the Army had thousands of 1903 barrels made. Once hostilities started they had these barrels installed on new mfg rifles. Unless rebarreled by the armory the mis-match of S/Ns is common on early mfg M1903s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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