SHOOTIN FOX Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 45 Colt, Old Vaqueros, Shotgun Boogie kits. Starlne brass, Winchester primers, Promo Powder. Four rounds from two different revolvers. Deep dents on all primers. Pulled bullets and powder and all went bang in my Marlin. Any suggestions on where to start? Thanks, Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Check your rounds to be sure the primers are seated below the case head surface. Put a #10 AN washer under the hammer spring of each of the Rugers. Check the Rugers for excessive front to back cyl movement. Try some factory rounds....... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTIN FOX Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 Primers were good. I’ll try the spring tension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 How cold was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTIN FOX Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 22 to 45 outside, colder earlier and everything went bang. we were shooting in a building, so 50 maybe. Four of the five on the revolver went off fine. The failure was in the middle of the string on both. Singles later on next stage. I am thinking the trigger,sear, hammer may be crudded up causing a slow hammer fall. I will look into it tomorrow. I was looking for othe rideas thar someone may have had in the past. All idea are welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I know it is probably not the reason but I never have had success with Winchester large pistol primers..just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTIN FOX Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 Your mileage may vary. I have shot over 10000 with no issues. That is what makes this strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Odd that the initial strike left a deep dent in the primer w/o firing it. If not for that, I'd suspect the primers were not seated deep enough. In the circumstances, (deep primer strikes) I would be considering they were faulty primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bearded Wonder Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Im with Painted Mohawk, I have had Extremely bad luck with Winchester large pistol primers, I have had them fail to fire the first time tru on stock uberti pistols. I have also had a few poor experiences with CCI also. I love the federal primers but have also had really good luck with S&B primers in large and small even with light hammer springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Now that you mention it, I recall some pards also having a lot of misfires with Winchester primers. So many, in fact one of our top shooters only used them for casual practice, not for any matches. I wonder what the problem was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Check your rounds to be sure the primers are seated below the case head surface. Put a #10 AN washer under the hammer spring of each of the Rugers. Check the Rugers for excessive front to back cyl movement. Try some factory rounds....... OLG What does the AN designator stand for. Know I will feel dumb when you tell me. Thanks GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 20 minutes ago, G W Wade said: What does the AN designator stand for. Know I will feel dumb when you tell me. Thanks GW AN960 flat washers are made of plated steel with smooth, parallel faces Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Thanks, was a heavy diesel mechanic for over 40 years and have worked on ag, construction equipment, semi trucks and the inline 8 cylinder 2 stroke diesel monsters that powered Midway Island. Never heard of this before. GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 Quote AN- ARMY-NAVY specification series started in the early 1940s as a means to standardize military items for World War II. Mostly canceled in the 1950s, a few have survived to only a few years ago, AN3-AN20 bolt is one of the longest lived specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said: AN- ARMY-NAVY specification series started in the early 1940s as a means to standardize military items for World War II. Mostly canceled in the 1950s, a few have survived to only a few years ago, AN3-AN20 bolt is one of the longest lived specs. I learn something new every day! Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 I've had problems with Winchester primers in various guns, pistols and rifles. I stay away from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 AN washers have a harder alloy and a smaller OD than SAE washers have. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 13 hours ago, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: AN960 flat washers are made of plated steel with smooth, parallel faces Not all are plated. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 There was a period of time, some years ago, that Winchester had problems with FTF. If it continues, you should contact Winchester with the primer lot numbers and also post them here. If anyone else has had similar problems, post them here. If there is a quality problem, the manufacturer and consumer should know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTIN FOX Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share Posted November 11, 2018 FLL292G was the lot. I suspect it was the gun not the primer. But deep strikes on the primer are suspect. Like I said in the OP, they went bang in the rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted November 11, 2018 Share Posted November 11, 2018 6 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: AN washers have a harder alloy and a smaller OD than SAE washers have. OLG Now that's the answer I was looking for. Then to find some. Thanks GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 16 minutes ago, G W Wade said: Now that's the answer I was looking for. Then to find some. Thanks GW A hardware store with a good bolt section should have'em. You want the thick #10 washers in steel alloy or SS. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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