Rattlesnake Russ Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I shoot classic cowboy and use a Cimarron 1878 hammered shotgun. As the match today wrapped up, I discovered that the stock on said shotgun had cracked, on both sides, right above the triggers. It is still in one piece but will eventually fail. I'd prefer to just replace the stock rather than repair it, a cursory search has turned up nothing. Anybody have any leads as to where I might be able to find a replacement part? I am awaiting a reply from Cimarron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Wherever you find a replacement buttstock, it won't be a simple swap out due to the sidelock design. If it were my problem, I'd repair rather than replace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 In many cases if repaired properly it could actually be stronger than a new stock. I've repaired several, its not a difficult job........... heres a place to start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Pat Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 I have an extra stock if you are interested you can return it for full refund if it doesn’t fix your problem. Irish Pat 19486 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 A good gunsmith can repair that cracked wrist and make it stronger than the original wood. (An amateur can repair one and have it break even more seriously and fairly quickly). Your crack appears VERY repairable because almost all the original wood is still present. Don't shoot it at all now until repaired or replaced, whatever you choose. Brownell's Accuraglas is the common epoxy to use - because it lasts just about forever. Sometimes reinforcing pins of brass or stainless steel are needed to add to a weak stock's strength. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 53 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: A good gunsmith can repair that cracked wrist and make it stronger than the original wood. (An amateur can repair one and have it break even more seriously and fairly quickly). Your crack appears VERY repairable because almost all the original wood is still present. Don't shoot it at all now until repaired or replaced, whatever you choose. Brownell's Accuraglas is the common epoxy to use - because it lasts just about forever. Sometimes reinforcing pins of brass or stainless steel are needed to add to a weak stock's strength. Good luck, GJ Rattlesnake ya kin borrow my shotgun until ya get it fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Russ Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share Posted October 14, 2018 Upon further investigation, I'm going with not fixable. I removed the triggers and it all but fell apart in my hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Well, yeah, that one is pretty badly shattered. Ace of Hearts (on the wire) can duplicate stocks. If you don't find a replacement, he can probably fix you up. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 It is repairable. You will need to go to your local RC model plane hobby shop and buy some of their insta-cure thin CA type glue and some of the 1 1/2 oz fiberglass cloth. Dry assemble the pieces back together and flood it with the glue. Once it's set cut the cloth to fit on the inside surfaces and glue them in with the CA glue. Do at least a couple layers. For clearance where needed remove some wood before you do the cloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 16 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: Well, yeah, that one is pretty badly shattered. Ace of Hearts (on the wire) can duplicate stocks. If you don't find a replacement, he can probably fix you up. Good luck, GJ Whatever you do. DO NOT LOOSE ANY PIECES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 PLUS ONE to Ace of Hearts. Properly done, that stock can be put back together. With the right Epoxy, the breaks will be stronger than the original wood. Plus, should you wish to have a new stock made, it will provide a complete pattern for the duplicator. All is not lost. Any replacement will require fitting. Your stock, put back together and then Glass Bedded would be better than new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conestoga Smith, SASS #18219 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Coffinmaker is right- I've used Brownell's AcraGlas epoxy for many a wood repair. DEVCON is great stuff - there are many variations in that brand, though, and I do not know if adding color dye to any in that brand will affect the epoxy ( AcraGlas comes with it's own little dye packets that work with it just fine, with that product ), Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Unfortunately, a new hand made stock fitted to your gun would cost almost as much (or more) than a complete new gun. MSRP is $579.00. Good wood is not cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 2 hours ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Whatever you do. DO NOT LOOSE ANY PIECES. Even a missing part is no reasons to not repair the old one. A fair number of my old guns come to me with broken stocks and some have chunks of wood split off and missing. I just graft on a new piece of wood and shape it to fit. This Winchester 97 had a chunk missing out of the buttstock just behind the trigger housing. It looks pink in this video but darkened after time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 Bastogne walnut is a hybrid cross between English walnut and black walnut. It is superior in strength to both and can take the hard recoil of the largest caliber rifles. This translate, for cowboy uses, into a stock that can take much more abuse and keep on ticking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 after you're all done, you still have to figure out why it came apart,,,and take care of that with the new/repaired stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 15, 2018 Share Posted October 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 said: after you're all done, you still have to figure out why it came apart,,,and take care of that with the new/repaired stock The 1878 is a heavy gun and the wood in the area of the trigger is very thin. Constantly grabbing it up off a prop will cause the wood to crack in the weakest place. It also appears, in the picture provided, that someone gouged out some wood to make it fit and then didn't bed back the excess space. In addition, factory stocks are the least expensive they can buy, and are usually kiln dried mixture of mostly sapwood instead of the stronger heartwood. Repairing a stock usually makes it stronger in the area of the break but it takes time to do correctly. Looking at the pieces in the picture, I don't think I could save this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Russ Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 Back in the saddle boys! Cimarron wanted $170 plus $15 shipping for a new stock. I was offered a replacement for less and took them up on it. On Nov 10 finally got her turned in to a gunsmith. Told me they were 4 to 5 weeks behind, which was fine as the season is done here in Iowa. Was called last Monday that it was done and picked it up yesterday. I gave the remnants of the old stock to a fellow shooter up here who is extending the stock on one of his guns. Guess I'm a green cowboy now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Looks good. Looks like it gained checking also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, Rattlesnake Russ said: I was offered a replacement for less and took them up on it. On Nov 10 finally got her turned in to a gunsmith. Who offered a replacement? stock? I did not understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Russ Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 Irish-Pat. The price he was asking was less than what Cimarron wanted before shipping plus it was checkered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 so you were able to find one from an individual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Oh Irish Pat. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 6 hours ago, Rattlesnake Russ said: Back in the saddle boys! Cimarron wanted $170 plus $15 shipping for a new stock. I was offered a replacement for less and took them up on it. On Nov 10 finally got her turned in to a gunsmith. Told me they were 4 to 5 weeks behind, which was fine as the season is done here in Iowa. Was called last Monday that it was done and picked it up yesterday. I gave the remnants of the old stock to a fellow shooter up here who is extending the stock on one of his guns. Guess I'm a green cowboy now Awesome, glad to hear it worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Getting a factory replacement is usually the least expensive way to go. Make sure the stock is properly fitted to the metal and it has been bedded in all the important recoil areas. It still appears to me that the first broken stock was due to our way of shooting. Repeatedly snatching a shotgun up off a table/prop is not exactly what the designer had in mind for any long gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Happy ending RR....It's a change to read of another brand cracking the stock other than an SKB of which I have temporarily fixed mine ..just hope it holds on as you can't find replacements here & to get one made is just 'crazy prices !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isom Dart, SASS#8096 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Been following this post. Glad everything worked out for you. In the case of broken stocks, if you've got all the pieces ,,,,,,,,,, acetone for oil removal and epoxy glue are your two best friends. IMHO Isom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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