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1911 mags that suck

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I have had the distinct displeasure of discovering perhaps the crappiest 1911 mag on the market.

 

I bought them for Wild Bunch but wanted to show you all the terrible QC and build that goes into these.

 

I bought three and all three have failed with fewer than 300 rounds a piece through them, all factory 230 grain ball ammo.

 

Base plate failures each. The first mag had its base plate pop off while in my mag pouch on my belt. BOING! What in the world????

 

The second at the range... base plate came off and dumped the ammo, follower and spring onto the floor. So I immediately looked at the third of this trio and fond its welds were giving way, soon to fail.

 

I cannot remember where I bought these nor what brand they are but I am posting pictures of the two that most recently failed. Perhaps someone can ID these by the markings on the base plate.

 

If'n I was prone to giving 1911 advice, I'd suggest staying faaaaaaar away from these gems.

 

 

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Just a situation with Metalform mags that just did not preform properly.   Contacted Metalform and they replaced them.   Have used their mags for years with good results,  .    You got nothing to lose a this point.   GW

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Base plate failure is not uncommon.  I had a Chip McCormick base plate weld failure.  I was on a Wild Bunch stage and slammed the mag into the 1911 and all the bullets came out the bottom after I removed my hand.  That took a long second to diagnose. :wacko:  I sent the mag  back to CMC and they sent me a new mag.  

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Howdy, 

At one time Colt mags with McCormick innards were supposed to be the best.

There was a company making rather pricey mags that were

great but not widely available.

Cant remember the name now, maybe later....Tripp is the real good one....

or at least were a few years back.

Best

CR

 

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Call Metalform and send them the pictures.

I use Wilson's with MF followers, and Wolff springs.

OLG

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I run McCormicks in my EDC 1911, never had a problem. The Mags I DID have a problem with were Meg Gars. Now I know that they make the factory mags for a lot of guns, but the ones I had, three out of four cracked on the left "ear", causing the gun to lock up tight. 

The McCormicks have not done that with a LOT more rounds through them.

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Does Wilson make a  1911 magazine with a welded base plate?  The removable base plates are not legal for Wild Bunch.

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2 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

Does Wilson make a  1911 magazine with a welded base plate?  The removable base plates are not legal for Wild Bunch.

Removable base plates aren't legal? Base pads aren't legal, and magazines must fit flush in the mag well, but a plain removable base plate isn''t legal either??

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8 hours ago, J Bar Binks, #47015 said:

Removable base plates aren't legal? Base pads aren't legal, and magazines must fit flush in the mag well, but a plain removable base plate isn''t legal either??

 

Wild Bunch Shooters handbook, Page 5.

•Magazines must be standard length and cannot hold more than eight rounds. No extended base pads on magazines. This means NO base pads of any kind.

 

 

Wow, I feel like PWB.B)

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The second I began reading your post I thought "I'll bet he's talking about Metalforms". Sure enough! About 20 years ago I was running Metalforms almost exclusively, then I had three mags suffer baseplate failures and ended up throwing all of them in the trash. So it looks like they're still having problems with bad welds all these years later, unless you happened to buy some old mags.

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32 minutes ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

The second I began reading your post I thought "I'll bet he's talking about Metalforms". Sure enough! About 20 years ago I was running Metalforms almost exclusively, then I had three mags suffer baseplate failures and ended up throwing all of them in the trash. So it looks like they're still having problems with bad welds all these years later, unless you happened to buy some old mags.

 

Hard to say if they were old stock. Purchased less than a year ago.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

 

Wild Bunch Shooters handbook, Page 5.

•Magazines must be standard length and cannot hold more than eight rounds. No extended base pads on magazines. This means NO base pads of any kind.

 

 

Wow, I feel like PWB.B)

Correct, but your statement was that removable base plates were illegal, not base pads. I have some Auto Ordnance mags with removable base plates. They're not extended mags, they have no base pad, but the base plate is removable. :mellow:
I checked the WB manual and don't see anything that says base plates must be welded or otherwise permanently attached.

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Unfortunately there aren't many GOOD flush-fitting 1911 mags out there. Colt's factory mags are made by Checkmate, but while the tube and follower are well-made the springs are a bit weak in my experience. Currently I'm running old 1970s-era Colt and GI contract mags and new ones with Wolff springs in them.

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Buy once, cry once.  Tripp Cobra magazines

 

http://www.trippresearchinc.com/7r-45-wg/

 

I run them in my duty guns and my competition guns.  

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Not that is problem was the posters problem, but this is common with mags that have been repeatedly slammed in when the slide is locked back.  Nothing to stop the mag except the front lip.     GW

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This is a Wilson Combat magazine with a short base plate.  My understanding is that this is illegal for WB.  I'm not aware of any 1911 magazine that Wilson makes that is legal for WB.  I think the one J Bar posted a picture of would be legal because the baseplate doesn't go below the side of the mag tube.  

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You wouldn’t have this problem if you used a Glock, especially in 9mm....:P

 

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself...:lol:

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There is NO prohibition on removable bases !!!!    As long as the magazine meets the requirements stated in the rule it is legal.       I should know, I wrote the rule. ;)

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6 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

You wouldn’t have this problem if you used a Glock, especially in 9mm....:P

 

Sorry, I couldn’t help myself...:lol:

You must take you meds, 1hr before post'n.........:P

OLG

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1 minute ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

You must take you meds, 1hr before post'n.........:P

OLG

 

I was just emulating what happens when someone is talking about Glocks or 9mm’s. Some Jasper always jumps in with (know-it-all voice ON) “You should be using a man’s gun in a man’s caliber, like a 1911 in .45ACP”. :P:lol:

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1 minute ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

 

 “You should be using a man’s gun in a man’s caliber, like a 1911 in .45ACP”. :P:lol:

 

Like that's a bad thing..........:lol:

Who'd say d'at anyhoo? :D

OLG

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My Glock 20 is a 10mm; wussy compared to a .45 ACP (not!).

 

The reliability of Glocks in any configuration is far better than 1911's. I use them in IDPA and ASI, preferring a .40 S&W, though I have 10mm and .357 Sig. and had a .45 ACP which I foolishly sold. That said, I shoot Wild Bunch with a Ruger SR1911, a fine gun once you spend a bunch for $40 Tripp magazines which work almost as well as the $20 Glock magazines.

 

Church Key

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Sorry folks...didn't mean to hi-jack. Just having a little fun.

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A 1911 is like any other semi-auto handgun in that it won't run well with cheap magazines. And yet it's amazing how folks refuse to pay $30 for quality mags and then complain that their 1911 jams when they're running $10 mags bought on CDNN. Most other factory semi-auto mags from HK, Walther, etc run $30-$40 so that's really the going rate if you expect to have decent mags that hold up with use. Lawman Mark is correct, get some Tripp mags or equivalent and watch most of your 1911 functioning issues go away.

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I use Wilson Combat 8 round magazines for all my other 1911 use but will certainly look into Tripp magazines for Wild Bunch. I've been using a hodgepodge of 7 round magazines for Wild Bunch including Kimber and Colt and whatever comes with Springfield Armory and have never had a problem until these 3 all grenaded themselves. 

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2 minutes ago, Dantankerous said:

I use Wilson Combat 8 round magazines for all my other 1911 use but will certainly look into Tripp magazines for Wild Bunch. I've been using a hodgepodge of 7 round magazines for Wild Bunch including Kimber and Colt and whatever comes with Springfield Armory and have never had a problem until these 3 all grenaded themselves. 

Have you made contact with Metalform about this?

OLG

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6 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Have you made contact with Metalform about this?

OLG

 

I have not yet done so. I'm still looking for what's left of magazine number one that failed so I can deal with all three of them.

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I've always heard the Tripp Cobra mags are the bee's knees, so I've got two on the way. If I like 'em, I'll get eight more ordered. :)

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On 10/10/2018 at 11:06 AM, Sixgun Sheridan said:

Unfortunately there aren't many GOOD flush-fitting 1911 mags out there. Colt's factory mags are made by Checkmate, but while the tube and follower are well-made the springs are a bit weak in my experience. Currently I'm running old 1970s-era Colt and GI contract mags and new ones with Wolff springs in them.

And by Metalform.

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On 10/10/2018 at 11:14 AM, LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L said:

Buy once, cry once.  Tripp Cobra magazines

 

http://www.trippresearchinc.com/7r-45-wg/

 

I run them in my duty guns and my competition guns.  

And yet I have seen more Tripps fail lately than anything else.

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22 minutes ago, Boggus Deal #64218 said:

And yet I have seen more Tripps fail lately than anything else.

Of the dozen or so I have (9mm and 45 acp) I've never had a problem with any.  Can't say that about Wilson or Chip McCormick.  

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On 10/15/2018 at 8:52 AM, Boggus Deal #64218 said:

And by Metalform.

 

Yes Colt mags were made by Metalform during the 1980s and 1990s, but I believe they're all Checkmates now.

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