yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 The price does seem low. I contacted the seller and asked for the model number and some other info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Haha the seller got a little upset that I would dare question him: Quote Mike did you look at the pictures in the add? Do you think i'm going to list a model that does not exist. THE RIFLE IS AN UBERTI IMPORTED BY STOEGER ARMS. THE BOX SAYS DELUXE MODEL 1886. THE DELUXE MODEL HAS HIGH GRADE WOOD,HIGH POLISH BLUE,AND CHECKERED FOREND AND PISTOL GRIP. READ THE ADD CAREFULLY First of, it's ad not add. Second, as I told him in my email, I can not find a single reference to a Uberti 1886 "Deluxe" model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 If the seller is gonna be an AH-Then pass....... BTW-That rec'r sight is a bad joke. The .45-70 has a trajectory of a football. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Haha yea for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Reb, SASS #54804 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 I would love to have an 86. The price is stopping me. The 1895 Marlin works well. ( I have 2) They will not run fast. My iron sighted cowboy version will put 4 round in about a 3" group at 50 yards using light loads with 2400 and 405's. They don't thump much. I also have been known to load 52 grs of 3031 behind a 400gr speer jacketed soft point. Now that is a shoulder thumper. There is a difference in felt recoil between different rifles. The light loads are really gentile in the trapdoor. The heavy loads thump harder in the cowboy with the straight stock as opposed to the standard 1985 with the pistol grip stock. (no I don't use the heavy loads in the trapdoor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 So, is it a faux pas to ask sellers for pictures? Sometimes they send them (great!), sometimes they say they can't because the guns are in storage or the profit margin doesn't justify the time (understandable, no problem at all), and sometimes they get all grumpy and annoyed. I would expect that people generally want to know exactly what they are getting when it comes to the fancier wood. There is certainly a lot of variation even within the same grades. Plus, what looks great to some may look bad to others. Am I being too picky here? It be one thing if we were talking about a $500 rifle, but $1500 is a lot of money (at least, to me it is)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Lot of scammers on those sites. Won't find that here..... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 If you're unsure, pass. There's always another one around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Defiantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 I am getting dangerously close to buying this:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/785133009 It's just so damn pretty. I've already talked with Goatneck about removing the rebounding hammer and tang safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 The as is/no refund concerns me. Seller has good rating. If the deal goes sour-GB won't do a dang thing to help you out. OLH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 At that price, you can, pretty much, order one from a Pedersoli or Uberti dealer, such as Taylor's. Actually, Taylor's is cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Yes but it is a Miroku Winchester not a Uberti/Pedersoli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Id 1 hour ago, yo1dog said: I am getting dangerously close to buying this:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/785133009 It's just so damn pretty. I've already talked with Goatneck about removing the rebounding hammer and tang safety. If you want the Miroku over the Uberti/Pedersoli I would recommend holding out for a Browning one. It just doesn't make sense to buy a gun with a bunch of worthless features and then immediately send it off to have them disabled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 OP-You need to handle a '86 before lay'n down the 'green'. Would you buy a car, without a test drive? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 6 hours ago, yo1dog said: I am looking at this Uberti for $1,025 + shipping: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/786395944 Seems like a good deal. He lists it as a "Uberti 1886 deluxe" but I am not sure what the "deluxe" refers to. Listed as new, unfired, and in original box. A peep sight is mounted to the top. Wood doesn't look like anything to write home about. The seller has sold only a few things on GunBroker but has all positive feedback. Hmmm. A fair price, but I do not think that is a factory new rifle as the seller suggests. The barrel sight has been replaced with a blank and the receiver peep sight looks like an aftermarket Skinner. Nice peep sight, but not legal for SASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: OP-You need to handle a '86 before lay'n down the 'green'. Would you buy a car, without a test drive? OLG Good point! Yo1dog If you can make it to Comfort to shoot with the Texican Rangers you are welcome to handle both my Brownings and even shoot them if the long range is open. The 45-70 can be loaded mild to wild and the 86 will handle loads better than your shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 hour ago, yo1dog said: Yes but it is a Miroku Winchester not a Uberti/Pedersoli. True, but I have had both. Unless you're absolutely sure you want a Winchester/Miroku, quality wise they're close enough that there is no practical difference. The Pedersoli Sporting Rifle has the benefit of a shotgun Butt plate, which helps with recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: OP-You need to handle a '86 before lay'n down the 'green'. Would you buy a car, without a test drive? OLG That's great advice. But, it's too late. That's right, it's done folks. Buy once, cry once. And boy is my wallet crying! But I am very excited! I've written it off as a birthday and Christmas present for myself to justify my... frivolous spending. If I ignored your advice, I mean no disrespect. I appreciate it but I just couldn't help myself. It may not have been the best deal ever or the smartest purchase. Either way, this beautiful Winchester 1886 well soon be headed my way! $1725 shipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Beautiful rifle, really like the pistol grip. Please post up your impressions, and range report. Best of luck, OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 38 minutes ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said: The Pedersoli Sporting Rifle has the benefit of a shotgun Butt plate, which helps with recoil. Ain't that the truth. When I first got my Browning rifle I was excited to learn it could handle the "Marlin" or 2nd level loads listed in most reloading manuals. I loaded up a 20rd box of ammo from that section and fired 3 rounds! I loath knocking down reloads, but I knocked down the remaining 17 and stuck with "trapdoor" level loads ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Hooker Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 4 hours ago, Jimmy Reb, SASS #54804 said: .... The light loads are really gentile...... And the heavy loads are kosher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Regarding the recoil, this may be just ignorant young whippersnapper talk, but I figured if an afternoon of sporting clays with a 12ga doesn't bother me much, 45-70 shouldn't be too bad. I'll find out soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Bet your SG has a nice soft recoil pad on it too. That crescent shaped steel butt-plate on the '86 ain't ever gonna be your friend. BTDT OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 My nice 870 Wingmaster does. My friends crap gun has a hard plastic one. Neither bother me much. Steel may be a different story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 20 minutes ago, yo1dog said: Regarding the recoil, this may be just ignorant young whippersnapper talk, but I figured if an afternoon of sporting clays with a 12ga doesn't bother me much, 45-70 shouldn't be too bad. I'll find out soon enough. I've never fired factory 45-70 ammo, but my trapdoor level hunting load is a 405gr paper patched bullet moving at about 1400fps. 5 or 6 rounds isn't bad, but that steel pad will make you think twice about burning up a box or two of ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas John Ringo, SASS #10138 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 48 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Bet your SG has a nice soft recoil pad on it too. That crescent shaped steel butt-plate on the '86 ain't ever gonna be your friend. BTDT OLG A slip on Limbsaver recoil pad is your friend. I KNOW from shooting my Miroku Winchester 1886. Shot it prong at a match, then kneeling and then off hand, 10 shots from each position. My shoulder was black and blue for a month, plus it was hard to shoot the rest of the match with my rifle and shotgun, a 2 day cowboy match. I then put the recoil pad on, Hugh difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 9, 2018 Author Share Posted October 9, 2018 Hmm. Maybe I go ahead and order one of those now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 well , that was a beautiful buy , i like it - i think you did fine and hope you enjoy it , i think i might had i had the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Reb, SASS #54804 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 15 hours ago, Red Hooker said: And the heavy loads are kosher? I don't know about kosher, but they are fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 Here's something funny: Remember the seller of that Uberti that was rude and unprofessional? Well he admitted that the Uberti 1886 "Deluxe" was renamed to the Uberti 1886 Sporting Rifle a while ago which was why you can't find any information on it. I told him I had already purchased another rifle, and he was not happy. Quote Unfortunately, I already bid on a Winchester 1886. I appreciate the information and follow up, though. Quote your welcome,but i honestly doubt you made a better deal on any Winchester 1886 or even bid on one. Quote Yea, it defiantly was not a better deal. But I just loved the way it looked! Call it love at first sight haha Quote i call it bullshit Quote lol Good for you. Quote It saddens me that Gun Broker has as many tire kickers like you as they have guns for sale.You take pride in wasting sellers time with e-mails when you know your not going to bid or purchase their items. Did you honestly think i believe you purchased another 1886 because you liked the way it looked? The really sad thing is that you have nothing better to do with your time and you certainly believe your attitude and actions are justified in your immature mind.Be advised i have notified GB that i have blocked you from bidding on any other firearms i list. Now i'm sure you don't care as you have a great selection of other sellers you can bother. My goal here is not to educate you,once an ass always an ass but just to inform you that you need to grow up.HA HA HA .My last e-mail. Quote Getting additional information about an ad in order to make a fully informed decision is wasting time? I did not bid on your gun for several reasons: As we discussed, I was not able to find any information on "Uberti 1886 Deluxe". I placed my bid after your third email when you insisted I was wrong and before your fourth when you admitted you were wrong. The combination of the unprofessional looking ad (bad pictures, bad grammar, little to no information) and the seemingly too-good-to-be-true price seemed suspicious. Your third email was rude and you did not seem like someone I would want to do business with. I came across a listing for a Winchester 1886 that had much nicer wood and looked much nicer which I bid on and won: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/785133009 I suggest putting all the info you shared with me on the ad. That way, if someone has the same questions (like what the "deluxe" model is or why the price is so low) they won't have to "waste" time emailing you to ask. I'm not sure why you think asking relevant questions about an ad is deliberately wasting time. Regardless, this little temper tantrum you are throwing because I didn't buy your gun is immature and unprofessional. I'd bet if Gun Broker were to review this exchange they would find fault with you, not me. You ended your email by calling me an ass, telling me to grow up, and "HA HA HA". Talk about hypocrisy! I know shouldn't have included those last two paragraphs (or probably responded at all), but I couldn't help myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 waste of time trying to reason with someone like that. I would not communicate with him further. You did fine in what you got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 Gave me a good chuckle. All I could think was "What is this crazy guy talking about?" Imagine thinking everyone who emailed you with a question was out to get you by deliberately wasting your time. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 You really should change your screen name to 'Tyre Kicker'. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo1dog Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 Haha that's actually a pretty good username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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