Roscoe Regulator Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I have a secondary set of pistols and rifle for 44 Special and wonder what loads others may be using for CAS purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I have a pair of Cimarron '72 Open Tops with 5 1/2" barrels in 44 Special. Currently they are off with a gunsmith getting tuned up for better reliability. It's not that they have been unreliable in any way, shape or form but the Open Tops apparently need some tweaking before they are 100%. But back to your question... I have shot smokeless through them and although it's nice it's boring. I could not tell you what the ammo is because it's whatever 200 grain smokeless lead Georgia Arms loads. (Several years ago I got a price I could not resist otherwise I would be reloading... great ammo though!). But where these guns really shine is with a 200 grain bullet over real black powder. As far as I'm concerned, no funner pistol to shoot with black powder. I just shot a 12 Stage match with these and my smile got bigger from stage 1 to Stage 12. Upon returning home I immediately loaded up 300 more rounds of black powder 44 special 200 grain ammo. I use Springfield Slim's Big Lube MAV Dutchman bullets. Work GREAT!!! As far as using smokeless with self-defense or hunting I don't have much comment although I know the Charter Arms Bulldog in 44 Special was a very popular personal defense weapon for many years with many folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Dobbs Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 what bullet you using? with a 200gn hand cast I use OLG's load of 6 gn of Unique. Have for years. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 6.0-6.5gn Unique() with 200-250 gn lead bullet. 5.0-5.5gn WW231 with same bullet weight as for Unique. Std LP primer and firm roll crimp OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Dobbs Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Just now, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: 6.0-6.5gn Unique() with 200-250 gn lead bullet. 5.0-5.5gn WW231 with same bullet weight as for Unique. Std LP primer and firm roll crimp OLG beat ya! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Just now, Buckshot Dobbs said: beat ya! lol Old age................before beauty OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 200 grain bullet using American Select with a charge weight from Alliant's online data. I would use either Unique or W231 if I lacked American Select. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Not sure when we started to be allowed to post loading data here . But I have loaded just about everything under the sun with Unique for years now. As for your question ? I run 6.0 to 6.5 gr of unique under a 200gr bullet in rifle and pistols . and a full load of APP FFF with a 1/8 of a compression under a 200gr bullet for the smoky loads . Your mileage may vary . But this is what works for me. Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Buckshot Dobbs said: what bullet you using? with a 200gn hand cast I use OLG's load of 6 gn of Unique. Have for years. BD I have been using 7.5 gr Unique with Scarlett's 200 gr lead RNFP, so it looks like I should try that lighter load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 RR-Give the 6.5 Unique load a go. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 I use a 200 grain .430" RNFP over 4.3 grains of Trail Boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted October 5, 2018 Author Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I use a 200 grain .430" RNFP over 4.3 grains of Trail Boss. That is exactly one of the loads I have scheduled, a minimum load right out of Hodgdon data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 With TB and Winter coming. I would start in the middle of the powder range. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted October 6, 2018 Share Posted October 6, 2018 Starline case with Fed. standard primer. 3.6 to 4gr. Clays and a 200gr. TC from Rim Rock or S&S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog McCoy SASS #5672 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 I have been using 44spl revolvers for years for SASS. I am using 44 Russian brass with 3.3 grains of Trail Boss with a 160grain bullet. I am using Remington large pistol primers. Great for your revolver, never tried them in a rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Skinner Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 58 minutes ago, Maddog McCoy SASS #5672 said: I have been using 44spl revolvers for years for SASS. I am using 44 Russian brass with 3.3 grains of Trail Boss with a 160grain bullet. I am using Remington large pistol primers. Great for your revolver, never tried them in a rifle. Hey Dog, have you ever run Red Dot or TiTegroup in those Russians with that bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog McCoy SASS #5672 Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 No, I switched to 44 Russian about the time Trail boss came out and never tried anything else. I use trail boss and win231 as my 2 powders in about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I used 180 grain/4.2 grains of Clays back when I shot them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Timber SASS #19724Life Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 180's and 4.0 Reddot worked well for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I used 5.6 grs of Tite-Group in a .44-40 with a 200 grain bullet. It should work fine for a .44 spl. also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.T Chambers, SASS#76185 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 4.0gr Bullseye under 160gr bullet and a Federal Magnum Large Pistol primer. Chronos between 650 & 700 fps out of my 4-5/8" Vaqueros to meet the local clubs 650 fps minimums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Skinner Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Thanks for posting the Red Dot and TiTegroup loads guys. I'll give em a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Hill Tirador Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 When I dabbled in CAS several years ago, the .44 Special was my cartridge of choice, and it still is as I hunt almost exclusively with .44 Special revolvers. I loaded the bullet pictured here. It's a 170 gr. RNFP I cast from an Accurate 43-165C mould. I loaded 4.0 grs. of Red Dot and velocities were- 4 3/4" Uberti- 612 fps, 5 1/2" Cimarron P- 644 fps, 20" Cimarron Short Rifle- 838 fps. I really like Red Dot in all my revolver cartridges because it's available everywhere, it gives very consistent velocities and great accuracy and it's a relatively inexpensive powder, and much less expensive than Trail Boss. I have pages and pages of other data, but it's all for bullets ranging from 248 to 258 grs. Good luck! Cholla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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