Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Would be interested in hearing from anyone that has one. Cost, function etc. I understand Cody does them, is he the only one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 Others do it...Goatneck Clem among others. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Crowe Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I have one that Cody did and love it. Once I found ammo that would cycle correctly it has been great. One other thing that is critical is making sure to push the last round loaded well past the loading gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted June 12, 2018 Author Share Posted June 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tony Crowe said: I have one that Cody did and love it. Once I found ammo that would cycle correctly it has been great. One other thing that is critical is making sure to push the last round loaded well past the loading gate. Did you have him convert your rifle , or did you buy the rifle from him? What did it cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Crowe Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I purchased a new rifle directly from him that he converted. The cost was just shy of $2000 including shipping to my FFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 One of these?? http://thesmithshop.com/cbs45.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckaroo #13080 Regulator Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 The price to convert your rifle from Cody is $560 plus shipping. http://www.codyscowboyshop.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireball #7709 Life Posted June 12, 2018 Share Posted June 12, 2018 I confess to wanting one of these two. Not for any really practical reason. Yeah, brass is cheaper, but you can buy quite a bit of brass for the added expense of the conversion. Anyway, I think it's cool idea several folks put into action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I've had one for more than a few years.. Runs like a "Codymatic" is supposed to... Will run anything your 1911 will.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 17 hours ago, Fireball #7709 Life said: I confess to wanting one of these two. Not for any really practical reason. Yeah, brass is cheaper, but you can buy quite a bit of brass for the added expense of the conversion. Anyway, I think it's cool idea several folks put into action. Well, if you want to shoot Wild Bunch, and you don't load 45Colt............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 19 hours ago, Patagonia Pete said: One of these?? http://thesmithshop.com/cbs45.html I have one in my 66 that I use for blanks when I do cowboy reenacting. It works just as intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 It simplifies things if you shoot WB...…..I just can't count to 7 so I stopped shooting WB...…….lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.N. Double Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I think Cody cuts the barrel (chamber) to shorten it for .45ACP. The Smith Shop kit doesn't require any modifications to the barrel. I don't know much about firearms design/ballistics, but if the chamber is too long, could the bullet strike the shoulder at the end of the chamber and cause some sort of wobble effect? If this isn't a concern, the The Smith Shop kit seems like a heck of a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Lobo Too Slow said: I think Cody cuts the barrel (chamber) to shorten it for .45ACP. The Smith Shop kit doesn't require any modifications to the barrel. I don't know much about firearms design/ballistics, but if the chamber is too long, could the bullet strike the shoulder at the end of the chamber and cause some sort of wobble effect? If this isn't a concern, the The Smith Shop kit seems like a heck of a bargain. I think the “Kit” is just the carrier. It says on the website that the bolt must me modified. Anyone have experience using this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimstone Bill Willson Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 said: I think the “Kit” is just the carrier. It says on the website that the bolt must me modified. Anyone have experience using this? The carrier is all you need for 45 cowboy special, a shortened 45 Colt that is the length of 45 acp. 45 cowboy special still has a rim and therefore is headspaced on the back of the chamber. It would have a large amount of freebore before the bullet gets to the rifling. A 45 acp has no rim so the cartridge would slide forward in the chamber until it hit the chamber shoulder. I may or may not have my terminology right but that might clear it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.N. Double Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 36 minutes ago, Brimstone Bill Willson said: The carrier is all you need for 45 cowboy special, a shortened 45 Colt that is the length of 45 acp. 45 cowboy special still has a rim and therefore is headspaced on the back of the chamber. It would have a large amount of freebore before the bullet gets to the rifling. A 45 acp has no rim so the cartridge would slide forward in the chamber until it hit the chamber shoulder. I may or may not have my terminology right but that might clear it up. That makes sense to me, Bill -- thanks for clearing it up. I'm curious though how they say it works for .45ACP without any additional modification. Maybe the carrier has some kind of catch that will seat the case where a rimmed case would normally sit. Otherwise, how would you be able to extract the .45ACP case if it's buried in the chamber? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted June 13, 2018 Author Share Posted June 13, 2018 58 minutes ago, Lobo Too Slow said: That makes sense to me, Bill -- thanks for clearing it up. I'm curious though how they say it works for .45ACP without any additional modification. Maybe the carrier has some kind of catch that will seat the case where a rimmed case would normally sit. Otherwise, how would you be able to extract the .45ACP case if it's buried in the chamber? This^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bearded Wonder Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 The Cowboy Carrier for '66 and '73 rifles (and '60 Henry) Allows '60, '66 and '73 clones chambered for .45 Colt to use Cowboy .45 Special cartridges (.44 Russian or .45 ACP, as well as proper length .45 Blank ammo in appropriately chambered rifles.) That is a quote from the instructions. I do not think that you can take a rifle chambered in 45colt and make acp cycle correctly without modifying the chamber and bolt along with the carrier. Just for grins and giggles I took one live 45acp loaded it in my 45colt rifle(73 Uberti), closed the bolt and everything looked ok, then held the muzzle down towards the ground and the round fell down into the chamber. In order to run 45acp other modifications will be required. The instructions say "appropriately chambered rifles" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted June 14, 2018 Author Share Posted June 14, 2018 Thanks oh great Bearded Wonder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brimstone Bill Willson Posted June 14, 2018 Share Posted June 14, 2018 45 acp would probably run fine as long as you pointed the rifle up in the sky! I guess the smith shop means that their carrier will work with 45acp, the rest of the rifle is out of their hands. It is not really a 'kit', it is more like one part to a conversion process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Apart from having the ease of loading the same ammo, I do not see the point of modifying the rifle, it's way too expensive in my opinion, and really, does it make you any quicker for wild bunch at the end of the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Looks like the carrier from the Smith shop has a cartridge stop that keeps the 45 acp round from going to far down the chamber, however seems to me that the bullet would have to travel a little distance before it enters the bore. Wonder what that does to the accuracy? Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Jackaroo, # 29989 said: Apart from having the ease of loading the same ammo, I do not see the point of modifying the rifle, it's way too expensive in my opinion, and really, does it make you any quicker for wild bunch at the end of the day? The short-stroked rifles run great with the short cartridge. The smaller capacity makes for better loading density with a lower than standard velocity. The 45ACP & C45S don't have density issues of their much bigger cousin, (45Colt). I have a Marlin 1894 that I modified to run the Cowboy45Special... I didn't have to modify the chamber as the C45S is a rimmed cartridge. The Smith's Sho[ carrier needs a modification to the bolt to run either the 45ACP or the C45S. It consists of milling off a few thousands from one side of the front portion of the bolt for clearance by the sprung "wing" that acts as a cartridge stop in the carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Boddems Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 The barrel has to be set back so the acp will headspace on the mouth correctly. This is critical for it to work. The extractor must be modified also. Dusty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Yea, I think just to run the 45 cowboy with the Smith shop carrier is a lot cheaper if you want to run the smaller cartridge rather than go to the bigger expense of the acp mod. But each to his own. I run a 44 Russian in my 66 for black powder as it's a great BP cartridge works well after a bit of fiddling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, Rafe Conager SASS #56958 said: Looks like the carrier from the Smith shop has a cartridge stop that keeps the 45 acp round from going to far down the chamber, however seems to me that the bullet would have to travel a little distance before it enters the bore. Wonder what that does to the accuracy? Rafe Probably not much more than 38 in 357............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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