El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Howdy all. It's been said many times on the wire that if you want a new category, start it up at your local club and see how it grows. So that's what I am doing. The following is my personal proposal for a John Wayne, the most iconic movie cowboy of all time, category. I am barely in the process of developing it, so feel free to make suggestions. This should be fun, so please refrain from comments on how we don't need another new category or how it's going to be "stoopid" and rather be constructive especially if this is something you would like to participate in. Thanks Guns: 1892 rifle only Any main match pistols (was contemplating Colts and clones only, no rugers, but have decided against it for now) Any main match shotgun Additionally must use one of the following: Large loop lever "Hollywood Henry" Finger groove grips 40 cal and above Black Powder Must wear any one of the following clothing items: Vest unbuttoned Cavalry bib shirt Chaps Scarf/Bandana So what do you all think? Remember this is an unofficial category to be used at local matches only similar to steampunk, Josey Wales, outlaw, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Onliest comment I'm going to make is that if it's a SASS Affiliated club and you are going by SASS rules, the finger-groove grips are illegal. If your club wants to break the rules to run this thing, then have at it. How goes the hunt for more Colts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 minute ago, McCandless said: Onliest comment I'm going to make is that if it's a SASS Affiliated club and you are going by SASS rules, the finger-groove grips are illegal. If your club wants to break the rules to run this thing, then have at it. How goes the hunt for more Colts? I'm working on that. I have been putting together a rule change proposal. Uphill battle I know. Besides, clubs go around the rules all the time when experimenting with these new categories. Josey Wales for example. Rules state you must use one rifle, but they use four pistols (or five) instead. Some clubs allow four holsters because they don't have tables to stages long guns or have down range movement. There are quite a few others as well. It's gotta start somewhere right? And still on the hunt for more colts. Looking for a full blue one currently, but without much luck. Thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 If you must use a '92, then how can you use a hollywood henry, which is a rifle also? Also, I never saw JW use anything other then a hammered double, which should be a requirement, IMHO 40 caliber & above should not be an option, but a requirement, IMHO JW never shot 2-handed in his Westerns, so duelist style only, IMHO Yes, you will exclude a bunch of shooters who only like to go fast, but then, this is a special category for only the coolest of the cool! I love your idea by the way! --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Redwood: I would add to the list of: Must wear any one of the following clothing items: Eye patch (optional) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 A Hollywood Henry is a 92 that has been modified to look like a Henry. Like this one I was thinking about including all the other stuff you said as well, but I thought I would open it up a bit just because the rifle is so restrictive. Besides, 40 cal and above, hammered double, and duelist style shooting are already in classic cowboy. I am trying to make a bit of a mix between classic cowboy and B Western. Sort of anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 Just now, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Redwood: I would add to the list of: Must wear any one of the following clothing items: Eye patch (optional) Great idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Redwood: Another consideration, possibly down the road, once you have the category established, would be to have an ANNUAL event in which everyone participating MUST dress exactly alike say as Rooster Cogburn, and make it a best looking John Wayne contest just like in the Keys for Hemingway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 48 minutes ago, Redwood Kid said: A Hollywood Henry is a 92 that has been modified to look like a Henry. Like this one I was thinking about including all the other stuff you said as well, but I thought I would open it up a bit just because the rifle is so restrictive. Besides, 40 cal and above, hammered double, and duelist style shooting are already in classic cowboy. I am trying to make a bit of a mix between classic cowboy and B Western. Sort of anyway OK, My Bad......I always took it to be a '66 with the forearm removed. I love Henry rifles, but once I saw the mag tube and the loading gate, I knew it wasn't a real Henry, & never looked all that closely at it. Thanks for setting me straight! --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Why not Rugers? I could see no Montado hammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 11 minutes ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said: OK, My Bad......I always took it to be a '66 with the forearm removed. I love Henry rifles, but once I saw the mag tube and the loading gate, I knew it wasn't a real Henry, & never looked all that closely at it. Thanks for setting me straight! --Dawg No worries. I used to think the same thing until someone else set me straight haha. This is a great category for folks wanting to use that 92 they have in their safe (everyone right?), but don't want to go full B Western. 2 minutes ago, Paako Hunter said: Why not Rugers? I could see no Montado hammers. Because they are not clones of anything that existed. Really no different than Henry Big Boys. But as I said, I decided against it and opted for more inclusiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Sounds like a hoot to me. 40 cal and above. Duelist or gunfighter is all the Duke shoot so no two handed stuff. Loved his Greeners so hammered side-B-side is the shotgun. Extra points for "Bettsy" in your vest pocket and spurs should be required along with felt hat and cowboy boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostVaquero Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Would you have to shoot outlaw style? I don't recall the Duke doing much aiming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted May 11, 2018 Author Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Lead Monger said: Sounds like a hoot to me. 40 cal and above. Duelist or gunfighter is all the Duke shoot so no two handed stuff. Loved his Greeners so hammered side-B-side is the shotgun. Extra points for "Bettsy" in your vest pocket and spurs should be required along with felt hat and cowboy boots. I like the Betsy in the pocket idea. So I am thinking of adding hammered double as one of the gun options. Maybe make it choose two and add the options of hammered double as well as duelist or gunfighter style. 2 minutes ago, LostVaquero said: Would you have to shoot outlaw style? I don't recall the Duke doing much aiming. You wouldn't have to, but certainly allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Do we have to walk like him too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Howdy, Just remember the more you restrict the fewer pards who will want in. For instance if someone has all 38 or 357 and tuned and leather, How are they going to redo all that for your JW class? And remember you only get one chance to make a first impression. Best CR ps After thinkn fer a bit, howsabout Costume Contest not just another shooting category? of course anyone could start up a contest at any match, at least I think they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 An eye patch??? Really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 The duke never wore his guns forward of his hip either. Most of the time his Colt was back at his hip pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: An eye patch??? Really??? An eye patch may help us right-handed folks that have left eye dominance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Do you get time taken off if you wear two eye patches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 I've noticed him take careful aim many times. A Ruger is a lot closer in appearance to a Colt then a big boy is to other cowboy rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 How about this for a stage scenario? Drink whiskey, fall out of your saddle, and then shoot corn dodgers that the TO has thrown in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Henry Quick Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 16 hours ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said: JW never shot 2-handed in his Westerns, so duelist style only, IMHO I'm with ya in general Dawg, but in the final shootout with Lucky Ned Pepper, Rooster had a loaded gun in each hand and the reins held in his teeth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 13 hours ago, LostVaquero said: Would you have to shoot outlaw style? I don't recall the Duke doing much aiming. My thoughts as well. Dang Kid I may need a 92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bearded Wonder Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 25 minutes ago, John Henry Quick said: I'm with ya in general Dawg, but in the final shootout with Lucky Ned Pepper, Rooster had a loaded gun in each hand and the reins held in his teeth! Sounds like a good stage to me, but not sure how to write that one. I'm pretty sure he had his rifle in his right hand and pistol in the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Henry Quick Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Bearded Wonder said: Sounds like a good stage to me, but not sure how to write that one. I'm pretty sure he had his rifle in his right hand and pistol in the other. OK, now I've got to find the disk and watch it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, John Henry Quick said: OK, now I've got to find the disk and watch it again. Like we really need a reason to watch a JW movie again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Here's a Ruger that should be legal in your John Wayne category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted May 12, 2018 Author Share Posted May 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Tully Mars said: My thoughts as well. Dang Kid I may need a 92 Are you kidding? I’m trying to create a category where I don’t have to compete against you haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Henry Quick Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 17 hours ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said: JW never shot 2-handed in his Westerns, so duelist style only, IMHO 1 hour ago, John Henry Quick said: I'm with ya in general Dawg, but in the final shootout with Lucky Ned Pepper, Rooster had a loaded gun in each hand and the reins held in his teeth! 47 minutes ago, The Bearded Wonder said: ... I'm pretty sure he had his rifle in his right hand and pistol in the other. 44 minutes ago, John Henry Quick said: OK, now I've got to find the disk and watch it again. 25 minutes ago, Dantankerous said: Like we really need a reason to watch a JW movie again. WOW! Wuz I wrong! Rooster did have a rifle in one hand, so Dawg is vindicated. When people ask me for details about something that happened or was said long ago, I usually joke that I can't even remember what I had for lunch yesterday. The positive aspect of my blunder is that I found an excuse to watch a movie I've only seen about 40 times in the last 50 years. So here ya have it, Redwood. All stages should be shot with a revolver in one hand and an 1892 in the other, with a big loop and spinning it to cycle the gun. Being mounted might be left optional... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 There's only one start line needed... "Fill yore hand, you sonofab....!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bearded Wonder Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, John Henry Quick said: So here ya have it, Redwood. All stages should be shot with a revolver in one hand and an 1892 in the other, with a big loop and spinning it to cycle the gun. Being mounted might be left optional... Would that break the 170 rule? Kinda a neat idea, Shooter starts rifle in right hand pistol in left, ATB engage all four targets at least four times each alternating fire between rifle and pistols.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 If memory serves the Duke had a revolver in each hand in Sons Of Katey Elder. He was pumping them Colts from under the bridge in the ambush shootout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Nothing against the Duke but will this lead to a Tom Selleck, Sam Elliot, Robert DuVall, Tommy Lee Jones categories?? Just what we need another category! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Definitely a Three Amigos category! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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