Phantom, SASS #54973 4,686 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Why do we have the x-draw angle and belly button rules???? Some Posse Leaders enforce them only to see other Posse Leaders ignore them. You bring it to the attention of the other Posse Leaders and still...nothing. They just look at ya like ya have a third eye or something. But dang...if so many folks don't seem to give a darn...particularly the SG Bra issue...why have the rule...???? Phantom Link to post Share on other sites
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 549 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 Good question. The only place I have noticed an effort to enforce those 2 rules is at WR and EOT. I've mentioned it a few times over the years at State and Regional level and got the same response you did. Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom, SASS #54973 4,686 Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Exactly the same here...yet at the "Safety Meeting" the officials make it clear that the match follows ALL SASS rules... Oy... Link to post Share on other sites
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L 2,683 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 some folks don't want to be 'the bad guy' or don't see it as a big issue. One time a SASS member stated in his classified post he was selling something for a non-SASS member Classifieds may only be posted by a SASS Member (you may not post for someone else) pointed this out in the post and got jumped all over about not being the cowboy way, etc. At that point wasn't a big enough problem to keep posting (pick your battles and this wasn't going to be one for me) Link to post Share on other sites
Warden Callaway 4,802 Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 After studying up and passing the RO1 and RO2 class, I can see infractions of the rules in most every shooters at local matches. Many are just ignored because of circumstance such as new shooters just trying out the game. Another is weather conditions like yesterday was unpleasantly cool and wet and some wore winter jackets and others wore rubber boots. I do see some experienced shooters who are fully aware of the rules have things arranged in a way that could be challenged. Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom, SASS #54973 4,686 Posted April 15, 2018 Author Share Posted April 15, 2018 Things like rubber boots and winter jackets can be overlooked for the sake of safety. And If you see just about every shooter at your local matches violating SASS rules, I would suggest that your clubs have issues. Rules here on the Wire are irrelevant since they are not in the shooter's handbook. Phantom Link to post Share on other sites
Tell Sackett SASS 18436 360 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I've always wondered how they planned to find out where anyones belly button WAS? Good luck checking on mine. Link to post Share on other sites
Big Rock, SASS #44055 78 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Once, during the safety briefing, the persons said for everyone to stick their finger in their belly button if your belt is above that adjust, adjust it. Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster Ron Wayne 1,481 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Because everyone is the Cowboy and No one is the Indian Meaning if you go with the popular people and have No opinion of your own . You always stay in your safe zone and don't draw any attention to yourself. Instead of standing on your own you just join the crowd . I'm a believer in right is right and wrong is wrong . It don't matter if you are popular or not . Rooster Link to post Share on other sites
Yul Lose 6,641 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I’d like to humbly volunteer to be the LOCAS official belly button checker. Link to post Share on other sites
Major BS Walker Regulator 612 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 All shooters at the five clubs that I attend abide by SASS angles and belly button rule because it is a SASS rule. Link to post Share on other sites
Ripsaw 252 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I've seen the shotshell belt rule consistently enforced in our area. In fact, when I first started shooting 3 years ago, during my first match, I was informed of the rule and asked to correct my belt location. Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack SASS#87384 1,358 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Somebody slap me! Welcome back pard. Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack SASS#87384 1,358 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I am seeing more enforcement of these things lately. But I agree, it is too often overlooked or ignored. What’s even worse is that lots of the people breaking the rules, know that they are doing it. Link to post Share on other sites
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 615 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Welcome back Phantom. I wholeheartedly agree. I started a thread sometime back questioning the lack of enforcement of the 170° while holstering a cross-draw and was jumped like a three-legged cat by a pack of junkyard dogs. The consensus was that it wasn't really happening and I needed to call the penalty. It didn't matter that it was apparent on numerous videos of popular shooters, the folks just didn't want to address the problem. I guess enforcement of our rules ruins the fun for some folks. Frankly, the lack of enforcement of our rules dampens my fun. Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom, SASS #54973 4,686 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 I'm betting that the majority just started shooting at a club where it's not enforced...the club doesn't partake in SASS sanctioned events so they don't stick to the rules or don't really KNOW the rules. They see folks wearing the belts high and think it's the way to wear them... Point is, most of these folks don't actually read the handbook. And since the club's aren't all that up on the rules either...no one's correcting them. There's always some rule that you don't run into very often...and can forget about...but come on folks, get your belts where they belong and get your holster angles right. Phantom Link to post Share on other sites
Assassin 1,595 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Is there a market for fake glue on navels? How about rewriting the rule, and saying the shotgun belt can't be further than a fist higher than the gun belt or something similar. Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom, SASS #54973 4,686 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 Ya gotta admit that when you see someone wearing their SG belt up around where their elbows are...it looks stoopid. Sorry...is "Stoopid" allowed on the Wire???? Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 25,959 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Most people’s belly buttons aren’t middrif or even with their elbows... At a match last year one of the popular long timers at our club had his holsters up front and close. He got called on it. He was embarrassed but moved the holsters apart where they should be. I saw a bunch of folks checking their own just to be sure. Sometimes it’s good to remind folks what the rules say. Link to post Share on other sites
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 615 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 How about wearing your gunbelt so low you have to walk bow-legged to keep it on? Link to post Share on other sites
Smokestack SASS#87384 1,358 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 said: How about wearing your gunbelt so low you have to walk bow-legged to keep it on? Is there a rule against that? Link to post Share on other sites
Eliphalet R. Moderator 370 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Cheyenne Ranger, Just hit the "report" link in the upper right of the post. We'll take care of it. But, we are not "all seeing, all knowing". If you see an infraction, call it. Phantom, "Stoopid" is a fine word. I like it. It's just what follows that gets me in trouble! Goodnight y'all, Eli Link to post Share on other sites
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 615 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, Smokestack said: Is there a rule against that? No but if there was, would it get called? I seriously doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,091 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 said: How about wearing your gunbelt so low you have to walk bow-legged to keep it on? 47 minutes ago, Smokestack said: Is there a rule against that? 11 minutes ago, Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 said: No but if there was, would it get called? I seriously doubt it. How about wearing it so low that you CAN'T walk bow-legged (or mount a horse)? Quote All clothing and equipment must be worn appropriately and how it was intended, or how it would have been in the Old West or as seen on B-Western movies and television. SHB p.2 Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,091 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Two examples of illegally worn holsters (found on internet posts from major SASS events) Both are at around 48 degrees (BTW - BOTH shooters were standing next to RO INSTRUCTORS in the original photos) Link to post Share on other sites
Major Crimes 2,358 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 2 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Two examples of illegally worn holsters (found on internet posts from major SASS events) Both are at around 48 degrees (BTW - BOTH shooters were standing next to RO INSTRUCTORS in the original photos) You can hear the "BUGGER! thats me" all the way over here Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 25,959 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Major Crimes said: You can hear the "BUGGER! thats me" all the way over here Pssst...we don’t use the word “bugger” in the US so if you heard “Bugger, that’s me”. It was probably an Aussie. Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Gambler 1,449 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Or a brit. I don't wear crossdraws anymore so I'm a little fuzzy on them. What would need to be done to make those holsters legal? Are they built wrong or just being worn wrong? I think I have that top holster from when I first started. gunna have to find my protractor and check the angles. Link to post Share on other sites
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 6,978 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Ramblin, Those holsters look built wrong as the way the leather is cut and sewn makes them stay at that angle. Regards, Allie Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt. Chesty SASS # 73317 108 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 Page 3 shooters handbook. Pin the holster with a Chicago screw so the angle is less than 30 degrees. Clubs should do their shooters a favor and enforce the rules. Nothing fun about showing up to a large match and finding that your gear is illegal...not fun for the shooter or the RO's. Link to post Share on other sites
Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463 393 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I see the "belly button" rule being enforced around here (central Iowa). Link to post Share on other sites
Eyesa Horg 1,755 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 10 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Two examples of illegally worn holsters (found on internet posts from major SASS events) Both are at around 48 degrees (BTW - BOTH shooters were standing next to RO INSTRUCTORS in the original photos) In this photo, it appears that the Cowboys belly button is about an inch maybe above his jeans. How would he fit a shotgun belt in that small space? Looks like holster rig is being worn proper. I'm not large and I can just fit both below the navel. Wonder if the rule should be "At or below belly button". I guess I'm sorta alright with the position so long as it isn't being worn way above the holsters or like OP as a shotgun bra! Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom, SASS #54973 4,686 Posted April 16, 2018 Author Share Posted April 16, 2018 46 minutes ago, Chili Pepper Kid, SASS #60463 said: I see the "belly button" rule being enforced around here (central Iowa). Um...that photo of you looks in violation. Phantom Link to post Share on other sites
Sidekick 118 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: That is the rule. Your shotgun belt must be worn so that all ammo is at or below your bellybutton. Link to post Share on other sites
Eyesa Horg 1,755 Posted April 16, 2018 Share Posted April 16, 2018 I didn't look, cuz that would of made sense. For some reason I thought it had to be below. I can still wear it there, but as weight seems to get in the way, that may change. Link to post Share on other sites
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