65 rounds fired, NO one hit

[Utah Bob #35998]

45 minutes ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

 

Stateside soldiers were trained to pick their targets and aim carefully. Once in theater the vets told the replacements to forget what they were taught in training and to listen to them instead, and to pour fire on the enemy regardless of whether you could actually see them or not. Ammunition was cheap; lives weren't. The brass hats back home apparently never considered that and remained dead-set on avoiding unnecessary waste of ammo.

The grunts new the value of overwhelming firepower that the Garand gave them. Generals have been fearful of troops of wasting ammo since breechloaders were introduced. 

[DocWard]

Stormtrooper meme aside, I'm not going to be critical of the officers until the results of the investigation come in. One can point to stories at both ends of the spectrum to make their point. Years ago in Columbus, an officer that went to the police academy with one of my fraternity brothers and best friends,  was shot, the round going through the ancillary region, missing his vest, it went through a lung and severed his aorta. He managed to put six of seven rounds into the shooter before falling dead.

In the present case, it appears they all hit what they were shooting at--the motor home. It does seem like much of the fire was panic fire, but I can't say for sure, perhaps they were trying to suppress any further fire from him. I'm just not clear why they felt the need to force the situation if he wasn't going anywhere. If he started to drive away, then I would think they should force the issue. Like I said, let the investigation that will follow decide.

[Smoken D]

I knew one officer that was a superior shot at the range hitting 100 of 100 every time. He was in a bank shoot out, emptied his gun, never hitting a bank robber. He was taken down with a few shots. The murder stood over his body and pumped a few into his chest. Him and I rode motorcycles together. Those shots killed him. Another officer was looking for a shooting suspect when he saw the suspect begin to aim his weapon at his partner about to shoot him. They were in the woods and this officer was lucky to get a 70 out of 100 at the range. While running he aimed and shot the suspect in the head killing him instantly before he shot his gun. The shot was measured at 75 yards. Ya never know. I was in the same unit as those two officers.

[J.D. Daily]

23 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

I thought SF had strict rules about possessing firearms.  Didn't anyone tell the bad guys?  What were they doing shooting at the cops?????

The BLM is arming illegals with Sigs in SF.  Just ask Kate Stineley's survivors.

[J.D. Daily]

6 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

Well... if the dude was in the motor home, they didn't exactly have a clear target...  

Yeh!  And why did the LEO's shoot at an RV which isn't shooting at them.  Also, the only way to kill that RV is to hit the propane tank & hope that a spark ignites the vapors.  As others have said this was no different than grunts in Vietnam firing in the direction of muzzle flashes in the jungle.  There are many videos of of GI's in body bag defilade holding their M16's in auto-mode above their bodies holding the trigger down emptying 20 round mag's one after another.  This is ain't so dangerous in the jungle unless there are friendlies downrange.  In a city that ain't a war zone this type of police action is bad news.  Either the SFPD's training sucks like BART's did until a BART cop mistook his firearm for a taser.

P.S.  I am not bashing LEO's it is their employer that is responsible for this.  All this does is feed Hollywood stereotype of policing.

[Sixgun Sheridan]

3 hours ago, Smoken D said:

Another officer was looking for a shooting suspect when he saw the suspect begin to aim his weapon at his partner about to shoot him. They were in the woods and this officer was lucky to get a 70 out of 100 at the range. While running he aimed and shot the suspect in the head killing him instantly before he shot his gun. The shot was measured at 75 yards. Ya never know. I was in the same unit as those two officers.

 

Something similar happened here a couple of months ago, but with a tragic outcome. An officer pursued a home burglary suspect, who while running fired a shot back at the officer, in the dark, from about 75 yards away. The bullet hit just above the officer's vest at the base of his neck and killed him. There was no way the perp was that good of a shot, but unfortunately he fired a wild one that just happened to find its mark. So it works both ways.

[Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103]

On 3/1/2018 at 1:05 PM, Sixgun Sheridan said:

True story from the time of the Old West: two saloon patrons who sitting at a card table in the back got into a heated argument, stood up and drew their pistols. They literally chased each other around the table firing at each other while the other panicked customers sprinted for the nearest exit. In the end both men were left with empty pistols, lots of holes in the walls and furniture, and not a single mark on each other. Upon realizing this they had a laugh and sat back down for some more drinks.

The story is told in the village of Glouster -- which used to be called Sedalia -- the day cop and the night cop got into it over a woman.

Story goes that the two of 'em had a walkdown right down the middle of main street.

At whatever distance it was, they stopped and had at one another.

Each man emptied his revolver at what he thought was a can't-miss range, and the only casualty was the town clock, a cast iron lollipop style on the town square.

It actually does bear a bullet hole to this day.