Same Info Needed 10 ga Brass Shooters

[Texas Lizard]

Do you resize your brass after each use...Or do resize one time and fire form to that shogun???

 

Texas Lizard

 

Want to thank everyone who added information...Much off it I had heard and a few new ones...For my 12 ga brass, hammered and 87 shotguns is where it is going...Now I need to think threw the 10 ga...Going to use the same info for it...Will be using them in a Parker hammered double or one of the 1901s I have...Style points for either one...Long barreled Parker or the '01 lever action (got five to choose from or rebuild one or two good ones)...

The biggest question on the 10 ga is do I buy 50 to 100 hulls at good price or INVEST in brass...Two places carry or make them to size...Not cheap...Will use 10 ga for side matches or night shoots....

 

 

[J.D. Daily]

No and most don't have the RCBS sizing die.  It only fits in some RCBS presses.  The die puts a roll crimp that aids in loading the shotgun. I use the RCBS shell holder for priming.

[Warden Callaway]

I've never had the need to resize Magtech brass hulls and fired them in many shotguns. 

[Amarillo Rattler]

No need to resize after firing.

The hulls are tough but will bend if stepped on.

I tried the RCBS resizing die without success, too large.

CH4D die set was $200+.

Instead, buy another box of hulls for $25.

 

Amarillo Rattler

 

 

[Beartrap SASS#57175]

Lizard,

If both chambers are exactly the same size and you only use the same shotgun for them  you won't have to resize. If, however, you use them in a sg with a  larger chamber they will expand and will have to be resized to fit the smaller chambers.

The best die for resizing them is made by CH. It isn't cheap but does the best job. They also make an adjustable  crimp die that will put any size roll you want on them.

[Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life]

I have the dies and do resize because of the exact reason Beartrap mentioned. I also have 2 different guns.

[Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326]

 

i put a small rolled crimp in mine the first time I loaded them to help going into the chambers.  Never have resized since while  using BP including some heavy loads.

[Big Rock, SASS #44055]

Yes I resize using a CH4D Full length sizing die, the RCBS didn't size anything .... because both my wife and I shoot brass and we don't know who's they came out of or are going into ....

[Hashknife Cowboy]

e mail me  and I will share what I do.....

dr3498@hotmail.com

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

Hi TL,

 

Well ...... I must be really lucky.  I shoot 5 different Hammer Doubles and I shoot the same hulls out of all of them.  To date (a long time) and several matches (lots of matches) I have yet to need to resize any of my Brass Hulls.  Unless of course, some klutz steps on one.  I also do not apply any kind of crimp to the case mouth.

[Warden Callaway]

24 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

Hi TL,

 

Well ...... I must be really lucky.  I shoot 5 different Hammer Doubles and I shoot the same hulls out of all of them.  To date (a long time) and several matches (lots of matches) I have yet to need to resize any of my Brass Hulls.  Unless of course, some klutz steps on one.  I also do not apply any kind of crimp to the case mouth.

 

Me too also.  I'm sure I use the same hulls in many different doubles and never sized them. 

[LostVaquero]

I have hammer double brass shells which take the 209 primers.  Never had to resize one in my life unless as mentioned someone stepped on one. 

[Hoss]

I don't resize either. I did put a slight taper on the case mouth with a crimp tool. 

 

I've has cases stepped on that I was able to squish back to more or less round, loaded them, stuffed then in shotgun and shot them, presto, they are resized!  (for the record, only with 7/8 oz BP loads) 

[Lefty Dude, SASS # 51223]

I use a Lee Hand loader to prep new cases before the first initial use. This resizes them all to the same size. Also installs a slight roll crimp on the case mouth. I also use a Lyman large prime pocket tool to resize the primer pocket holes, also resize the primer pockets. Magtech brass shells are not all made the same. Case prep is a must for proper function and use. All this takes some time, however once done, never again. When using the Lee loader, be careful how far you hammer the case in the sizing die. The crimp comes rather quickly. I use a wooden dowel for the extraction of the case from the Lee Loader die.

Lee loaders appear on E-bay from time to time. I have both 16 ga. & 12 ga. 

[Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life]

I shoot ten gauge brass but ,FWIW, there's not any discernable difference in loading technique. In 20+ years I have never resized my brass nor has there been a need to do so.

I use Rocky Mountain Cartridge brass.

 

I do not crimp my brass. That shortens its life. I simply scoop black powder into the shell, add an 8 gauge Walters nitro wad, pound down three 8 gauge Walters fiber wads, add shot, cover with an 8 gauge Walters overshot wad and  glue it down with a liberal coating of Duco cement.

[Warden Callaway]

It cost nothing to try reloading without resizing.  If it doesn't work out for you, then look for a sizing die.

[Deadeye George]

Looks like I'm like most everyone else, I've never resized my cases!  More than two years ago I ran 200 new Magtech hulls through the RCBS die set just to apply a slight roll, chamfer, bevel or whatever you want to call it ( I think calling it a crimp gives folks the wrong impression since it doesn't actually crimp anything.  All it does is allow the cases to VERY EASILY roll into the barrels!)

 

I have never had the need to re-chamfer the cases since they were new and unlike thin handgun brass, these thick wall brass shells don't fire form to a shotgun's barrel like one would think!  I too use different shotguns with these shells.

 

After shooting using Black MZ powder, I'll soak the cases in water to clean then when dry, with the RCBS die mounted in my Hornady single stage press, I'll de-prime and prime all the shells at once then hand load.  The RCBS die works wonderfully and fast priming and depriming!

[Deadeye George]

14 hours ago, J.D. Daily said:

No and most don't have the RCBS sizing die.  It only fits in some RCBS presses.  The die puts a roll crimp that aids in loading the shotgun. I use the RCBS shell holder for priming.

Just to share some information, the above comment is not very accurate.  First, I don't believe it is sold as a resizing die, calling it that will only confuse perspective buyers since it doesn't resize anything, it only adds a slight roll to the lip.  Second, I use the RCBS die and it screws right into my Hornady single stage press since the 1 1/4" x 12 threads are the same so if anyone wanting to try this die already has a Hornady press, you're in good shape.

[Warden Callaway]

 

Here is my expensive,  high tech tool for knocking primers out of brass hulls.  A Lee decapping pin with the cushion part of a 12 gauge wad.

 

 

I have antique tools to prime hulls but I use a small Lee C press with their priming post and RCBS 12 gauge shell holder.  

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

I was using the RCBS dies.   Ran 'em through that and it was never a problem.

 

Then, the first time I fired them in my 87, they would not fit in any gun except the 87, so then I got the CH4D dies and run 'em through that every time.  Now they always work in every one of my shotguns.

[J.D. Daily]

4 hours ago, Deadeye George said:

Just to share some information, the above comment is not very accurate.  First, I don't believe it is sold as a resizing die, calling it that will only confuse perspective buyers since it doesn't resize anything, it only adds a slight roll to the lip.  Second, I use the RCBS die and it screws right into my Hornady single stage press since the 1 1/4" x 12 threads are the same so if anyone wanting to try this die already has a Hornady press, you're in good shape.

The die will resize the brass shell if the sizing ring that comes with the die set is installed.  This is from the description on the the RCBS website.  I wasn't aware that Hornady presses w/lock-N-Load bushings have the 1 1/4" - 12 threads.  The Lee Classic Cast & SmartReloader XVI presses also work.

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

Years ago I Nate Kiowa Jones sold me this chunk of steel.  It is about 1/2" thick.  The holes are chamfered.  Set it over the open jaws of a vice, lube the hull, pound it down into the hole with a rubber mallet.  Then turn it over, insert a socket driver into the hull (large enough socket to fit around the primer pocket), and pound it back out.  Usually only use the .795 hole; rarely need to use the .790 hole.  Probably any decent shop could duplicate it pretty easily.

 

I don't usually need to resize my brass hulls, but I have a bunch of old Winchester and Rem-UMC hulls (very similar to Magtechs) and sometimes after firing the mouth gets out of round so they need sizing.  (Annealing would probably fix that. )

[Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L]

I got the RCBS die when they were on sale and somehow I had $$ left over

 

as said above die sizing part didn't do anything

 

called RCBS and they have a smaller one which they sent free of charge

 

that one didn't do anything either but it was free!

 

Somehow at a match got someone else's brass hull.  Then the sizing die did it's thing

 

my 2¢:  my mouse-f**t loads are so low that it doesn't effect the diameter at all.

 

I do like the radiusing of the mouth of the shell--not sure it is worth what I paid but that's water under the bridge

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

I admit to being lazy.  I also don't like boredom and real slow.  I started loading Brass Hulls by de-priming with punch.  Uber slow.  Then I put the punch in my drill press.  Much less slow.  Always just the Drill press to seat primers (sometimes exciting) but kept getting a few fail to fire from primers that weren't fully seated.  Then I got a really good buy on a Lee Classic press and the RCBS Die.  Priming heaven. Fast and Tight primers.  The RCBS die really doesn't resize.  It does a bang up job of de-priming but the de-priming stem needs fix'd.  I now can load 100 rounds in the time it use to take to do 25.

[LostVaquero]

8 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

I admit to being lazy.  I also don't like boredom and real slow.  I started loading Brass Hulls by de-priming with punch.  Uber slow.  Then I put the punch in my drill press.  Much less slow.  Always just the Drill press to seat primers (sometimes exciting) but kept getting a few fail to fire from primers that weren't fully seated.  Then I got a really good buy on a Lee Classic press and the RCBS Die.  Priming heaven. Fast and Tight primers.  The RCBS die really doesn't resize.  It does a bang up job of de-priming but the de-priming stem needs fix'd.  I now can load 100 rounds in the time it use to take to do 25.

Yep, the de-primer on mine need some bush fixing to work properly. 

The only brass shells I am using are my precious hammer double box of 50 209 primered shells.  I use a Lee Load All for those.  Once I get the flow I can get those shells loaded up pretty fast. 

I have regular Magtech shells (the RMC are kind of expensive) but even using magnum pistol primers could not get them to set off smokeless powder decently.  Of course I have not played around with many powders either.  If I put BP in them, no problem, hence why I like my old hammer doubles.  The 209s lite off the heathen smokeless stuff with authority. 

[Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326]

Try to find some 10g power pistons and use them with your smokeless loads.   I will send you a hand ful if you can not locate any in your area.   Interior of the brass are larger and sounds like you are not getting a good seal to build your pressure up with the smokeless.

[Texas Lizard]

On 2/19/2018 at 9:16 PM, Texas Lizard said:

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TL

 

[Warden Callaway]

You really switched gears there Mr Lizard.  I'm going out on a limb here but make a guess that very few here on the Wire shoot the 10 gauge and even fewer with brass hulls. 

 

 

I shot a different antique hammer double in almost every match in 2016 season.  Most were 10 gauge.  Here I'm shooting my Colt 1878 10 gauge on New Year's day using antique nickel plated hulls. 

 

 

I lucked into a nest of UMC 10 gauge hulls.  Many were in good shape size wise but some were bulged some to a lot.  I ended up taking a sizing ring for a 12 gauge Lee Loadall and opening it up to make a sizing ring to drive down onto the bulged hulls.  Then most had primer pockets too shallow for large pistol primers so I had to deepen them.  I was able to make them all work. Once sized and primer pockets fixed,  I've used them in a half-dozen 10 gauge shotguns with no problems or need to resize. 

 

 

 

 

Here I'm loading 10 gauge plastic hulls using homemade wooden tools.  I load brass hulls pretty much the same except use 8 gauge wads.  

[watab kid]

ive always thought that shooting brass would be the cats pajamas , its got the real feel , but this is one of the things that always concerned me about venturing there - that and the and this crimp cardboard patch/seal thing ive not got a handle on yet , i keep reading these threads - im going to get there when i learn enough 

[Warden Callaway]

 

Here is a video of my 10 gauges LC Smith Syracuse I made public yesterday.   The original video was just impromptu to show a buddy so I didn't change out of my work around the farm clothing. 

 

The problem with brass hulls is that they are difficult to chamber quickly because of the sharp mouth edge.  If they were crimped and if the barrel chambers were funneled,  they would work fine.  I'm  not going to funnel the chambers on any of my old doubles.  And I'm not going to roll crimp the shells.  I'm not shooting a 10 pound plus antique double to be competitive anyway.

[watab kid]

super style points on that gorgeous shotgun , 

[Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life]

As a Grand Patron, high speed shotgun shooting is not one of my priorities. My ten gauge brass is Rocky Mountain Cartridge 3-1/2" hulls.

 

I have several tenss and one 8. The 8 is a custom Parker with a 4-1/4" chamber that belonged to my great great grandfather. It is a hoot to shoot. I did bring it to one of my Idaho matches along with my two .41 Long Colt Thunderers. They are illegal but are an immense ton of fun to shoot.  :-)

The brass is too expensive to screw up by crimping. Just fill the overshot wad with Duco cement.