Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I'm going to hold off on calling this a waste of money but this isn't working. I purchased two of these extractors earlier this month but I'm just now putting them in. I installed the first one and it doesn't sit right in the hole even though it shows to be the right part. It also ejects every single case straight forward. When I say straight forward, I mean they are hitting my fingers on the forearm. I tried swapping springs but that didn't help. I'm going to try the next rifle while I wait for someone to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The two I installed ejected further forward than the stock extractor, enough to land on the table, but only hit my fingers if I held back by the receiver. They don't go far from the gun. Ranger Point will get back to you, let us know how you make out. The closing of the bolt should be noticeably smoother however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Second one is doing the same thing. People were saying that empties were going at the 2-3 o'clock position. I would lose every piece of brass with these extractors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 All 3 on my M/94's eject now 2-3 o'clock, with the RPP ejector. Pull the bolt out and get ready to send picture so the RPP folks can help you. Can you post pictures of the fitting issue you speak of? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 I just sent them an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 This is as far over as it goes. It is hitting the inside ledge of the bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 wondered about these RP is about 6 miles from the house but never had a reason to drop by do to limited funds on my end hope it's something simple that will allow you get to get up and running cheyenne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: wondered about these RP is about 6 miles from the house but never had a reason to drop by do to limited funds on my end hope it's something simple that will allow you get to get up and running cheyenne I'm hoping the same. I only bought these because everyone had good things to say about them. If RP comes back and tells me to pound sand, well they will be in the classified section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Howdy HEMI. By looking at your bolt face, you should have received a #2 Extractor. Is that correct? I have installed a few of these and are seemingly working very well. Which is why I have also made recommendations on them. Keep us posted, please. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Yes a number two is what the packaging says. And both of them are the Widdermatic's. I thought I read somewhere that the springs were different so I swapped them but that didn't make a difference. Having these in my guns is like owning a 92. I tried giving the ejector spring more and less strength and swapped to a factory ejector and still have the same results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 The previous (original) springs were about 19 coils long. The newer springs should be approx 22 coils long. I tried a 19 coil spring as a test in another shooters Marlin and got 'iffy' results. When the newer spring was used with 22 coils, the rifle worked really flawless in both feeding and ejections. I hope your only issue is with the springs. It might be a good idea to count those coils and let RPP know when you speak with them. Hope you are doing well. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 This is the reply I got back. That's a new one. Most guys are seeing ejection at 2 or 3 O' clock. We did recently start delivering the extractors with longer springs, and that could conceivably cause some rifles to eject more forward, particularly if the ejector spring has also been decreased. If you're up to it, try clipping a coil or two off one of the springs and see if that changes things. Or try bending your ejector spring out a bit for more tension there. It sounds to me like there's an imbalance between the ejector and extractor springs. A little fiddling may correct the situation. I'm going to start cutting a half coil at a time and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 I installed as called for a #1, easy also. I tried 10 rounds and they ejected flawlessly. This past weekend I also was able to use the rifle for a 6 stage match and again, flawless ejection and smoother closing of bolt. They eject, (I just went outside to check about 3 o'clock and they all landed in a neath pile). Better then my 73 which usually were all over. MT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 Yes-Option #2 is correct for your bolt. The extractor's 'hook' really doesn't need much travel. What was the coil count on your springs? Call RRP and ask for Adam or Kimberly OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 OK-I just sent RRP an Email ask'n them to review this thread. Fingers crossed....... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 22 is the coil count at the moment. I'm setting up every thing to start grinding them down because my snips won't cut these coils. We will see what happens in a few minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, Coyote Kincaid said: 22 is the coil count at the moment. I'm setting up every thing to start grinding them down because my snips won't cut these coils. We will see what happens in a few minutes. Before you do anydangthing-PLZ call RPP. 832-429-7044 OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 30, 2018 Author Share Posted January 30, 2018 Lumpy I already talked to him. I posted the email that he sent above advising to trim the coil. I posted it because Eyesa is experiencing the same problem and I wanted him to see if he could narrow his problem down as well. But it's too late! One coil gone and it is already ejecting between 1 and 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 CK, The majority pile up at about 2:00 for me so to speak, but go forward more then the original extractor did. Mine came with the shorter spring. Also, I have not used them in a match yet, so experience may change with actual usage. Only put a few magazines thru em so far. The smoothness they added seem worth the price to me. For the time installation took and the results I'm a Happy Camper so far, I think EH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 IIRC-They first used 19 coils. Good to hear things are looking better. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 It's been a long night of testing and tweaking and this is what I have come up with. Just in case someone else comes across this problem. Strangely the extractors worked great in stock Marlins, except for the hammer spring being replaced. This is a huge improvement over what they were doing when I first installed them. This is the email I sent off to RP. Yep the 2004 which is 44 mag and no work did great. The 45 which has no work as well and made in 1999 went 3 o'clock exactly. The 357 which Widder did made in 96 needed a little more strength in the ejector spring and one coil ground down and it's at 2 o'clock consistently. Then the last 45 made in 97 which Widder did as well needed two coils and it is at 2 o'clock as well. I've played with the ejector spring and it's not making a difference. I'm going to run them both in a match this Saturday and see how they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 PLZ post up your live-fire results. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted February 4, 2018 Author Share Posted February 4, 2018 And the results are in, both rifles had the spare 22 coil spring in them for this test. The 38 did ok. Hamley shot it and I looked on watching and hoping he didn't have a problem. I'm not too impressed but the empties all landed in a pile on the table. The 45 on the other hand was a different story. First 10 shots and the extractor didn't grab #4. Second 10 shots and it only grabbed about 4 of them. It went back to the truck and I brought out a spare rifle. Even here at home it is one failure after another to grab onto a fired case. I sent an email to Widder for some ideas. I should have tested with a fired case to begin with but I went on a big brass cleaning spree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 5, 2018 Share Posted February 5, 2018 Is the case staying in the chamber, or not ejecting out of the rec'r? Make sure where you cut the spring is rounded and smooth so it slides and moves easily. Make sure both ends of the spring are like this. Double check the 'hook' for a burr or such. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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