Festus G Lonetree Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Shortly after leaving Boot Camp I headed off to Quantico, VA. for my MOS training. Butterbars were EVERYWHERE. And each one seemed to have a chip on their shoulder, at least it seemed that way to a young PFC who had just a bit of an issue with authority. lol.... It didn't take that PFC long to learn the the USMC does not appreciate enlisted personnel putting their hands on officers and the phrase "With all due respect, sir..." loses any and all of it's protective magic once the discussion turns physical. At the time, my attitude about stripes was 'easy come, easy go' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Festus G Lonetree said: Shortly after leaving Boot Camp I headed off to Quantico, VA. for my MOS training. Butterbars were EVERYWHERE. And each one seemed to have a chip on their shoulder, at least it seemed that way to a young PFC who had just a bit of an issue with authority. lol.... It didn't take that PFC long to learn the the USMC does not appreciate enlisted personnel putting their hands on officers and the phrase "With all due respect, sir..." loses any and all of it's protective magic once the discussion turns physical. At the time, my attitude about stripes was 'easy come, easy go' Q: What's the difference between a Second Lieutenant and a Private First Class? A: One has been promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 5:23 PM, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: I thought all Air Force officers were Colonel or above. Nope! But my father told me a sign that he actually saw in an officer's mess in Puerto Rico, just about the time I was born... "Air Corps colonels under the age of 21 WILL NOT be served hard liquor!" He was a company CO of a signal company at Barincon Field (later Ramey AFB), supporting the Air Corps at that base. He had held a reserve commission as a captain before WWII broke out. Later served overseas with the 42nd Infantry (Rainbow) Division. Of course it sounds hilarious, but in that time frame, the AAC (later Army Air Forces) were losing so many planes and pilots over Europe, that competent aircraft commanders were getting promoted a lot earlier than they would have in peacetime. (Eighth Air Force lost more men, officers and enlisted than the USMC did the whole war! The chances of completing a 25 mission tour alive or at best as a POW, was practically nil. It wasn't until 1944 that 8th AF gained anything like air superiority, when the P-51's became available to escort the bombers to Germany. During the Viet Nam era, Air Force 2LT's were promoted to 1LT at 18 months. Army butter bars turned silver six months earlier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, Trailrider #896 said: Nope! But my father told me a sign that he actually saw in an officer's mess in Puerto Rico, just about the time I was born... "Air Corps colonels under the age of 21 WILL NOT be served hard liquor!" He was a company CO of a signal company at Barincon Field (later Ramey AFB), supporting the Air Corps at that base. He had held a reserve commission as a captain before WWII broke out. Later served overseas with the 42nd Infantry (Rainbow) Division. Of course it sounds hilarious, but in that time frame, the AAC (later Army Air Forces) were losing so many planes and pilots over Europe, that competent aircraft commanders were getting promoted a lot earlier than they would have in peacetime. (Eighth Air Force lost more men, officers and enlisted than the USMC did the whole war! The chances of completing a 25 mission tour alive or at best as a POW, was practically nil. It wasn't until 1944 that 8th AF gained anything like air superiority, when the P-51's became available to escort the bombers to Germany. During the Viet Nam era, Air Force 2LT's were promoted to 1LT at 18 months. Army butter bars turned silver six months earlier! Now that richt there is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Pepper Jack Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/15/2017 at 1:54 PM, Utah Bob #35998 said: Yes. The same basic lensatic compass, updated with tritium. Because GPS doesn't always work. http://olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_compass_lensatic.php When I was a 1SG I ripped a Butter Bar for failing land nav, he got smart telling me that he has a GPS and would never need to use a map and compass. I told him NEVER think that you GPS would alway work, if you can't navigate you are worthless. Fast forward 2 months we are in Mosul a Plt. is in contact this Lt. was trying to get to the fight with is Plt but couldn't get a signal in his up armor so he put the widow down put his arm out. That is when his truck was hit with an IED he almost lost the arm. Technology is great but you can NEVER think it is the end all be all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 The Russians aren't the only ones who can spoof a gps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Magellan managed to go around the world without the benefit of GPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Actually Magellan died en route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said: Magellan managed to go around the world without the benefit of GPS. Yeah, and then Amelia Earhart did it also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 And The Great White Fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 said: Yeah, and then Amelia Earhart did it also. Well.....mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I were one of them butter bars! Commanded an infantry company in combat for three months. Nobody ever called me Lt. Always was "6". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 "6"? Ain't that "military-speak" for "ass"? "Hey Leroy, watch your 6!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Alpo said: "6"? Ain't that "military-speak" for "ass"? "Hey Leroy, watch your 6!" Six is radio code for the company cmmander. At least when I was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 not short stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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