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Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438

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The MA House approved legislation to ban bumps stocks.  Unfortunately, they went a little further: 

 

"State Rep. David Linsky, a Natick Democrat, filed legislation that would outlaw any devices that — when attached to a rifle, shotgun or firearm — increase the rate of discharge of the weapon.

Those who violate the measure would face between three and 20 years in prison. The prohibition would take effect 180 days after becoming law."

 

Passed 151-3 yesterday.

 

So - what about improved triggers, or other enhancements that may also improve the "rate of fire"?  Are they now banned, too?

 

LL

 

UPDATE:

 

Our State Senate, in a moment of sudden sanity, has passed an amended version, specifically identifying only bump stocks and trigger cranks, and more clearly defining just what functional devices would be banned.  That broad "rate of fire" phraseology is gone.  The risk to target triggers, spring changes, etc. is gone in this version.

 

It now goes to a conference committee, to work out a compromise between the knee-jerk House bill and the Senate version.

 

Thanks to GOAL, our NRA affiliate, for hard and quick work with some rational State Senators.

 

LL

 

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Are they going to ban Deuce Stevens as well?

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Ya know... I can't seem to find it, but I recall a couple of years ago (?) some new law (state?  executive order?) that sounded as if it would require licensing of anyone doing more than a couple of improvements to firearms, even as simple as sight upgrades, scope installs, or some such.

 

Does that ring a bell with anyone?  :huh:

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3 hours ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said:

The MA House approved legislation to ban bumps stocks.  Unfortunately, they went a little further: 

 

"State Rep. David Linsky, a Natick Democrat, filed legislation that would outlaw any devices that — when attached to a rifle, shotgun or firearm — increase the rate of discharge of the weapon.

Those who violate the measure would face between three and 20 years in prison. The prohibition would take effect 180 days after becoming law."

 

Passed 151-3 yesterday.

 

So - what about improved triggers, or other enhancements that may also improve the "rate of fire"?  Are they now banned, too?

 

LL

 

 

That definition covers short stroke kits and springs.  Does the proposed statute define "rate of fire"?  If it doesn't there is a problem with vagueness.  Just like MA's assault weapons statute where your current AG's interpretation made thousands of semiauto rifles owned by MA residents illegal; except she stated the owners won't be persecuted.  If you build an AR from scratch using a binary trigger & skeletonized titanium bolt carrier would that be illegal because of the trigger, bolt or both?  This AR's rate of fire could only be increased by a stiffer buffer spring and/or a lighter buffer piston.  The only component that increases the rate of fire is the bolt.  Bump fire stocks don't increase the rate of discharge, because, I am sure the man with the bionic trigger finger (Jerry Miculic) can run an AR as fast as a mortal can run an original* M16 in auto mode. 

The originals have a higher cyclic rate than the A1, A2 , etc. 

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16 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

Ya know... I can't seem to find it, but I recall a couple of years ago (?) some new law (state?  executive order?) that sounded as if it would require licensing of anyone doing more than a couple of improvements to firearms, even as simple as sight upgrades, scope installs, or some such.

 

Does that ring a bell with anyone?  :huh:

That was an Commerce Dept. rule that would require gunsmith's to acquire an expensive firearms and component export license.  That died at 12:00PM on 1-20-2017.

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No one is going to care about cowboy guns, they don't look like the oh so terrifying "assault" rifle.  

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Thanks, JD!

 

Let's hope Loopehole's new law suffers a similar fate!

 

(Note:  "Loopehole's Law" is in reference to being subject to it, not sponsorship!)

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5 minutes ago, CurlyDrew42 said:

No one is going to care about cowboy guns, they don't look like the oh so terrifying "assault" rifle.  

Unless you PO the DA.

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2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

This will definitely include binary triggers.

 

Hope they don't find out about short stroking 73s and revolvers.

If the law doesn't specifically include binary triggers the definition of binary triggers will be argued in court.   Binary triggers and bump stocks don't change the rate of fire; they are devices that improve the ergonomics of rapid trigger manipulation.  For an AR pattern rifle the components that affect the rate of fire are: bolt, bolt carrier, firing pin, buffer piston & spring, gas system and hammer & spring.   The rate of fire increases proportional to spring rate and inversely proportion to the mass of the moving parts.  Increasing the hammer spring force & reducing the firing pin weight reduces lock time (time delay from trigger pull to primer strike).  Lower lock time improves a shooter's accuracy.

The typical AR is overgased to reliably cycle  with all ammo.  This results is the bolt velocity that hammers the action, throws cases a mile away & many of the cases hit the deflector ramp at an attitude & velocity they are dented.  I find a lot of range 223/5.56 brass with dents in the neck area which renders them scrap.  A high proportion, 25%, have dents in the tapered area which is OK for plinking ammo.  To prevent this the weapon needs an adjustable gas block or adjustable gas key.

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17 hours ago, CurlyDrew42 said:

No one is going to care about cowboy guns, they don't look like the oh so terrifying "assault" rifle.  

 

The great majority of the anti-gun types I've encountered have never even heard of Cowboy Action Shooting. Maybe that's a good thing.

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17 hours ago, CurlyDrew42 said:

No one is going to care about cowboy guns, they don't look like the oh so terrifying "assault" rifle.  

 

Really-Several states have come dang close and only at the last minute changed the wording to not include fixed, tubular magazines.

Never ASSume those meatheads don't have an agenda, and that we must remain vigilant against their liberal gun grabbing intentions. 

BTW: No such thing as an 'assault-rifle'......

OLG

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On 10/13/2017 at 5:57 PM, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

Really-Several states have come dang close and only at the last minute changed the wording to not include fixed, tubular magazines.

Never ASSume those meatheads don't have an agenda, and that we must remain vigilant against their liberal gun grabbing intentions. 

BTW: No such thing as an 'assault-rifle'......

OLG

 Agreed.

 

GG ~ :FlagAm:

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On October 12, 2017 at 10:51 PM, CurlyDrew42 said:

No one is going to care about cowboy guns, they don't look like the oh so terrifying "assault" rifle.  

 

This is the problem among gun owning groups!!  They all figure that it's someone else's problem and doesn't concern their part of the sport/culture.  Then SUDDENLY several groups are denied their rights to own and shoot their respective choices of gun, and you look around and yours is being singled out because they've gotten the others picked off one at a time!!

 

repeat after me:

 

NOT ONE MORE INCH!! 

NOT ONE MORE GUN!!  

NOT ONE MORE COMPROMISE!!!

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