Coyote Kincaid Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Will the environment change? I heard rumors of them putting metal detectors in now. What about us shooters that go out of town for big matches? I usually bring my guns in, strapped to a luggage cart in their cases. With main match, backups and side matches that usually is 20 or so. I've never had a problem before and people have always been nice. We might have people calling the cops now if we came in with anything. I'm really starting to think that I need to get a camper and just staying at the range for now on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Casinos care about one thing only: money. If metal detectors make people feel safe and more likely to gamble, they'll do it. Out of town shooters don't spend enough money to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 I'll bet they don't change much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Nothing will change and if they do Metal Detectors will not last in Vegas. People will not stand in TSA like lines just to get into the Casio. Especially those that have had a few drinks. Besides most casino's have 2 dozen different entrances. Almost none of which require you to be a guest of the establishment to use. It would inconvenience their guests too much to force all their patrons down to 1 or 2 entrances. Hi rollers are not going to be inconvenienced by having their luggage searched. This wack job was just the kind of person the casinos would have bent any security screening rules for anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I don't think metal detectors would be practical, most folks are gonna set 'em off. Something more in line of how the cruise ships do it I think would be more practical where the check bags are x-rayed. You do have to go thru an airport like security, but it isn't as stringent and moves much quicker. You basically put your carry on on the x-ray belt and walk thru a detector which does not seem very sensitive. I suspect it's calibrated to detect weapons but not key rings and watches. JHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Nope. Just not practical. What's the hotel going to do when they host a convention like the NRA, the huge Consumer Electronics Show in January, ComicCon with Klingons carrying battleaxes, or the PBR and NFR finals with hundreds of westerners wearing huge buckles? I think they'll do some feel good changes just to make a show of it but nothing as drastic as having all guests go through a metal detector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 What are the common casino rules regarding concealed carry? DO they allow it on premises? LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 The five Indian casinos near me all have no firearms allowed signs at the entrance. I don't know about others but I would assume that means concealed carry also. I'm not sure what that would mean for a competitive shooter that would like to bring his firearms into his room for the night instead of leaving them in his car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: What are the common casino rules regarding concealed carry? DO they allow it on premises? LL I have never been in a casino that permitted cc. That said, I have never been in a casino that had metal detectors either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Yul Lose said: The five Indian casinos near me all have no firearms allowed signs at the entrance. I don't know about others but I would assume that means concealed carry also. I'm not sure what that would mean for a competitive shooter that would like to bring his firearms into his room for the night instead of leaving them in his car. Yul: I asked in order to try to judge how disruptive detectors would be - thinking what a pain it would be if folks were allowed to carry and then had to deal with the hassle of detectors. Trying to design any system to protect folks from the wackos is a nightmare; there is simply no method that cannot be circumvented. A central storage vault for guests' guns might work, but I imagine a lot of folks would be reluctant to allow their guns out of their hands, and some hotels would not be happy with the prospect of become responsible for the storage of guns. Hmmm...a new business...armored storage of guns adjacent to hotels..... Back in the late 1970's, there were no detectors in MA courthouses. That changed overnight, when a disgruntled individual set off a bomb in the Suffolk County Courthouse. The state installed detectors in every single courthouse, producing large lines and some very upset people. They are still there. In NH, some of the Courts have gun lockers for storage of your handgun while you are in the building. An enlightened view. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: Yul: I asked in order to try to judge how disruptive detectors would be - thinking what a pain it would be if folks were allowed to carry and then had to deal with the hassle of detectors. Trying to design any system to protect folks from the wackos is a nightmare; there is simply no method that cannot be circumvented. A central storage vault for guests' guns might work, but I imagine a lot of folks would be reluctant to allow their guns out of their hands, and some hotels would not be happy with the prospect of become responsible for the storage of guns. Hmmm...a new business...armored storage of guns adjacent to hotels..... Back in the late 1970's, there were no detectors in MA courthouses. That changed overnight, when a disgruntled individual set off a bomb in the Suffolk County Courthouse. The state installed detectors in every single courthouse, producing large lines and some very upset people. They are still there. In NH, some of the Courts have gun lockers for storage of your handgun while you are in the building. An enlightened view. LL I knew what you were getting at I just wanted to point out that they have a firearms ban now that realistically is uninforcable because they don't have the ability or desire to check every piece of luggage or every human being for guns. You being a lawyer may be able to answer another question that some have asked after the events in Vegas and that is : If you have rented a room in a hotel in Las Vegas is that room considered your home while you are staying there? Would fourth amendment protections apply? If a room service maid or food delivery person came into your room and saw firearms cased or otherwise in your room and they reported it to hotel security and hotel security alerted law enforcement would law enforcement have to secure a warrant before searching your room? I'm thinking of attending a match near Vegas next year and would like to stay at a casino near the match location and don't want to leave my firearms in my vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 35 minutes ago, Yul Lose said: I knew what you were getting at I just wanted to point out that they have a firearms ban now that realistically is uninforcable because they don't have the ability or desire to check every piece of luggage or every human being for guns. You being a lawyer may be able to answer another question that some have asked after the events in Vegas and that is : If you have rented a room in a hotel in Las Vegas is that room considered your home while you are staying there? Would fourth amendment protections apply? If a room service maid or food delivery person came into your room and saw firearms cased or otherwise in your room and they reported it to hotel security and hotel security alerted law enforcement would law enforcement have to secure a warrant before searching your room? I'm thinking of attending a match near Vegas next year and would like to stay at a casino near the match location and don't want to leave my firearms in my vehicle. Yul: The general answer is that a hotel guest has pretty much the same expectation of privacy as does a homeowner or other legal occupant of a dwelling unit, and so the 4th Amendment protects guests from warrantless searches; of course, the devil is always in the details . See: https://www.wklaw.com/do-police-need-a-warrant-to-search-my-hotel-room/ LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 I always hang the Do not Disturb sign on the door. Wasn't sure if it really worked because when you're out of the room, who know? But last yer we stayed at a navajo caino hotel near Flagstaff on our anniversary. We were in the casino and I had to go back to the room for some reason. there was a message on the phone to call the desk. I did and they said, "We tried to send something up to your room but we won't go in if the Do Not Disturb sign is on". I said "I'm in the room now". A few minutes later a big Happy Anniversary plate of chocolate covered strawberries arrived. So I guess the sign works. By the way, they upgraded us to the presidential Suite too. It's now my favorite resort casino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Most hotels I've stayed in seem to ignore the DND sign. If I'm staying more than a couple days, I almost always go to the front desk and chew someone out the second day and that USUALLY fixes the problem. There have been a couple of times when I got messages (sometimes they were increasingly angry) that I needed to remove the DND sign so the maids could clean the room. As politely as I can, I inform them that I'm glad the sign is working as intended. At one in particular I stayed there 5 days at a time for multiple weeks and they really were getting upset. One day I found my DND sign was missing and they had cleaned my room. When I complained they said, 'well the sign must have fallen off, sorry nothing we can do about that' and they wouldn't give me another one. So from then on, I started carrying my own stash of do not disturb signs with various more secure attachment methods. I'm pretty serious about not wanting strangers in my room while I'm gone. I stayed in one hotel for about 3 months and I was told that by law they had to come in and clean the room once a week. I didn't ask whose law it was because I could tell it was non-negotiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoky Pistols Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 10/8/2017 at 10:06 AM, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: Yul: The general answer is that a hotel guest has pretty much the same expectation of privacy as does a homeowner or other legal occupant of a dwelling unit, and so the 4th Amendment protects guests from warrantless searches; of course, the devil is always in the details . See: https://www.wklaw.com/do-police-need-a-warrant-to-search-my-hotel-room/ LL As the man said, " a reasonable expectation of privacy" but keep in mind that anything left out in the open could be deemed "enough cause " to warrant further investigation. As a former casino employee, I can guarantee that if a maid or maintenance person walked into your room and saw a large pile of weapons, there is a pretty good chance that security would be sent to investigate, possibly in the company of the police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, SinCity Paladin said: As the man said, " a reasonable expectation of privacy" but keep in mind that anything left out in the open could be deemed "enough cause " to warrant further investigation. As a former casino employee, I can guarantee that if a maid or maintenance person walked into your room and saw a large pile of weapons, there is a pretty good chance that security would be sent to investigate, possibly in the company of the police. And remember that the 4th Amendment applies to state action (police), not hotel employees who enter to clean your room or deliver room service. That's why UB's suggestion about the DND tag makes sense. Out of sight helps, too. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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