Deadeye Duvall Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 After sending my Ruger New Vaquero back to the factory for a new front sight, it came back all factory & removed modifications. They sent my springs back which I reinstalled but it is not he same gun. The hammer does not fully engage and seems to be held up some by the transfer bar? It did that some time back but Roughneck Rod fixed it, well, Ruger unfixed it.
Yusta B. Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 When they work on a gun they replace any non-original parts. Company policy,
Hashknife Cowboy Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 I only will use Ruger warranty on non modified guns for that reason. Modified work goes to Gary Reeder or someone equally capable.
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 You got treated like Ruger treats all customers. Don't feel like they picked on you. They look through the parts and put factory fresh parts back in and test to their standards. Evidently their tests don't find the "catch in the get along" that you have seen twice now. Back to Roughneck Rod again, I would suppose. This very warning gets repeated here about once a month, especially when a pard is thinking about sending a Ruger back to the factory. It is a REAL warning. Good luck, GJ
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 You really think they(Ruger)would leave the gun in a modified form. Not in today's sue happy world..... Why didn't you remove the parts to begin with? OLG
Marshal Chance Morgun Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: You got treated like Ruger treats all customers. Don't feel like they picked on you. They look through the parts and put factory fresh parts back in and test to their standards. Evidently their tests don't find the "catch in the get along" that you have seen twice now. Back to Roughneck Rod again, I would suppose. This very warning gets repeated here about once a month, especially when a pard is thinking about sending a Ruger back to the factory. It is a REAL warning. Good luck, GJ And while we're at it, Don't ever send a modified shotgun back to Stoeger.
J.D. Daily Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 39 minutes ago, Marshal Chance Morgun said: And while we're at it, Don't ever send a modified shotgun back to Stoeger. Been there done that!
Pat Riot Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 Whenever I work on a Vaquero and modify it I always keep my original parts just in case I have to send the revolver in to Ruger...I have all those parts (for 6 Vaqueros) and have never sent one in for anything.
Deadeye Duvall Posted May 31, 2017 Author Posted May 31, 2017 OK, no disrespect intended to anyone but ....for God's sake, I get it, did anyone not read the post, I want to fix my gun, not discuss Rugers Legal obligation to provide a safe firearm....sheesh!
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 YOU post'd about them switch'n the springs out...... Call Ruger to get a ship'n label, and send it back to'em. That will get your gun fix'd...... OLG
Pat Riot Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Deadeye Duvall said: OK, no disrespect intended to anyone but ....for God's sake, I get it, did anyone not read the post, I want to fix my gun, not discuss Rugers Legal obligation to provide a safe firearm....sheesh! SO, you're telling us you get it... Just bustin' yer chops...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Deadeye Duvall said: After sending my Ruger New Vaquero back to the factory for a new front sight, it came back all factory & removed modifications. They sent my springs back which I reinstalled but it is not he same gun. The hammer does not fully engage and seems to be held up some by the transfer bar? It did that some time back but Roughneck Rod fixed it, well, Ruger unfixed it. Always ! Any time you send a gun to the manufacturers. They will put it back to stock specs . For Liability reasons. Just sayin. Rooster.
CodyMaverick Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 3 hours ago, Deadeye Duvall said: After sending my Ruger New Vaquero back to the factory for a new front sight, it came back all factory & removed modifications. They sent my springs back which I reinstalled but it is not he same gun. The hammer does not fully engage and seems to be held up some by the transfer bar? It did that some time back but Roughneck Rod fixed it, well, Ruger unfixed it. Your OP does not appear to be asking for advice or information, even though one of your statements ends with a ?. I don't know but I have heard that Roughneck Rod moved to Alaska or something like that. My advice is for you to fix it yourself. Look at the top 1/8" inch of the transfer bar and you'll see a bit of extra thickness of metal there, using a file and/or emery cloth, thin it down until it works smoothly. If you don't like the result, transfer bars are not expensive and usually readily available from Brownells, Midway, Ruger and likely many other places as well.
CodyMaverick Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: Always ! Any time you send a gun to the manufacturers. They will put it back to stock specs . For Liability reasons. Just sayin. Rooster. Precisely as they should. I had a front sight get loose on one of the NVs I got from Lassiter and called Ruger about it. They emailed me a prepaid shipping label and (thinking ahead) I sent them just the frame pieces figuring they did not need all the modified innards to fix the sight. However; I do wish I had thought ahead a bit further and realized they would be re-bluing the frame. I should have sent them the cylinder and loading gate also, oh well . I didn't tell them I was only going to send the frame but they fixed it at no charge and returned it with a notation that the complete gun was not sent in by the customer.
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 OK, for clarification, I would like to have ideas on how to fix it.
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, Deadeye Duvall said: OK, for clarification, I would like to have ideas on how to fix it. Then please give us a detail explanation of just what it's do'n. Pics would be great! I really would suggest that you let Ruger fix it. OLG
CodyMaverick Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, Deadeye Duvall said: OK, for clarification, I would like to have ideas on how to fix it. Ok, I have another idea, though more costly than the first. Buy a hammer and trigger set from Power Custom, It will have a really sweet trigger pull and the hammer will have a half-cock notch. Then have someone weld up the hammer nose so that it will hit the firing pin with out a transfer bar. Three Cut in N.C did mine and he does excellent work with a quick turn around. btw; you only need to send the hammers, not the whole gun. Take the original hammer, trigger, and transfer bar and save them in case you ever need to send the gun back to Ruger again or wish to be able to once again safely load six rounds in the gun. Note: if you like this suggestion, call Power Custom and tell them what you want as their website can be a little confusing and there's lots of options. And; they also sell a pawl that is very simple to fit and is a much better design than the original Ruger.
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 Quote I want to fix my gun, not discuss Ruger If the OP had started with "My tuned up Ruger was rebuilt at the factory with several new parts, and the hammer now seems to catch against the transfer bar while cocking and won't go to full cock. How do I correct that?" You might have got your wish earlier. Folks who start posts with "Ruger did this and Ruger did that" often get the modified-parts-will-be-replaced warning repeated for their education. The first line of a post often sets the tone for all the rest of the thread. Good luck, GJ
Pat Riot Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 15 hours ago, Deadeye Duvall said: After sending my Ruger New Vaquero back to the factory for a new front sight, it came back all factory & removed modifications. They sent my springs back which I reinstalled but it is not he same gun. The hammer does not fully engage and seems to be held up some by the transfer bar? It did that some time back but Roughneck Rod fixed it, well, Ruger unfixed it. So, is this the case or is the hammer not coming completely to rest when not cocked? That is how I read it. Or is it what Garrison Joe asked? On my one and only NV the hammer does not come to a complete rest against the frame after firing or cycling and it appears that the transfer bar pushes it back about 1/32 of an inch. Is this what is happening to yours Deadeye? Mine is all stock again. I did have a SBH hammer in it but removed it and put it back to the factory configuration.
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 Yes, It sounds the same. I can push the hammer forward & feel some resistance
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 1, 2017 Author Posted June 1, 2017 11 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Then please give us a detail explanation of just what it's do'n. Pics would be great! I really would suggest that you let Ruger fix it. OLG OK, will get some pictures. Ruger did what they were supposed to, I have no real issue with that, just want to get the gun back to competition status
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 I have some Vaqueros that do what you describe and some that don't. It can be changed but as far as I can tell no benefit or harm comes from it. I have been shooting them that way for a LONG time! Blackfoot
Pat Riot Posted June 1, 2017 Posted June 1, 2017 6 hours ago, Deadeye Duvall said: Yes, It sounds the same. I can push the hammer forward & feel some resistance On mine too, but it does go fully t the frame. Never noticed it before and I am pretty sure that with the SBH hammer there was no space. I just couldn't shoot it worth a darn in Duelist so I put it back to factory. Weird.
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 2, 2017 Author Posted June 2, 2017 Something is slowing or stopping the hammer. The revolver is working but I can tell that I am not getting a firm strike since the firing pin is being held back some. I had this problem with both this set & my daughter's set, Roughneck Rod fixed them. I know it is an easy fix & I am pretty sure it has to do with the pawl but I am not completely sure.
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 2, 2017 Author Posted June 2, 2017 22 hours ago, BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 said: I have some Vaqueros that do what you describe and some that don't. It can be changed but as far as I can tell no benefit or harm comes from it. I have been shooting them that way for a LONG time! Blackfoot The problem is I know it can cause some light primer strikes because I had this issue before after installing a reduced hammer spring. It can be remedied & I don't want it to cause that 1 miss right when you need it...
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 2, 2017 Author Posted June 2, 2017 On 5/31/2017 at 8:30 PM, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I really would suggest that you let Ruger fix it. OLG That is just it, Ruger would put the stiff factory springs back in then the gun is harder to cock (especially 1 handed)
Yusta B. Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 Not trying to be a smart-a$$ but did Ruger return all the parts they replaced and have you put them all back in ? Just checked my 4 Vaqueros & in all 4 the transfer bars lean to the right when cocked. All 4 hammers seat tight like your example on the right. All 4 have SBH hammers I installed.
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 Takes 3 minutes to switch trigger and hammer springs in a Ruger SA. The t'bar fits loose and what you see in your picture is NOT an issue. To light a hammer spring causes the light hammer hit. What weight hammer spring are you run'n? The Ruger on the left-Can you move the trigger forward at all? LG
Santa Fe River Stan,36999L Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 The transfer bar on the left may need to be "fit" to the gun.....If there is a "pinch" between the hammer and the transfer bar it can lead to breakage. Contact Delta Glen....I'm sure his Dad can get you fixed up in no time at all. Stan
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 Dead Eye, It may be that Ruger put a new cylinder pin that has a stronger spring. The cylinder pin has a spring loaded plunger that is intended to hold the transfer bar away from the firing pin. The plunger can also reduce the impact of the hammer on the firing pin. Try temporarily putting in he cylinder pin from the other gun and see if the problem still is there. If the problem goes away, you've found the cause. If not, it's something else.
CodyMaverick Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 12 hours ago, Deadeye Duvall said: Something is slowing or stopping the hammer. The revolver is working but I can tell that I am not getting a firm strike since the firing pin is being held back some. I had this problem with both this set & my daughter's set, Roughneck Rod fixed them. I know it is an easy fix & I am pretty sure it has to do with the pawl but I am not completely sure. As a test... Remove the pawl spring and put the gun back together and see if the hammer will go all way home on its own. If it does then there's the trouble. Reason: As the hammer travels the last little bit, the tip on the bottom of the pawl bottoms out on the grip frame and cams back in to the window in the recoil shield. It does this against the pressure of the pawl spring. This along with the base pin spring are two sources of pressure the hammer must overcome to make it home. While you have it out, check the pawl spring to see that it hasn't gotten bent. This can occur if the spring gets bit by the grip frame during re-assembly. If this should happen to be the source of your trouble you can try snipping a coil off of the pawl spring. Don't go too far or the pawl may not have enough pressure to maintain contact with the cylinder during cycling.
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 3, 2017 Author Posted June 3, 2017 22 hours ago, Yusta B. said: Not trying to be a smart-a$$ but did Ruger return all the parts they replaced and have you put them all back in ? Just checked my 4 Vaqueros & in all 4 the transfer bars lean to the right when cocked. All 4 hammers seat tight like your example on the right. All 4 have SBH hammers I installed. I reinstalled the returned parts which were a set of reduced springs. I had also removed the spring & plunger allowing free spin, they put a new one in. Think they may have replaced other parts such as the "smoothed out" pawl which they may have considered worn
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 3, 2017 Author Posted June 3, 2017 9 hours ago, CodyMaverick said: As a test... Remove the pawl spring and put the gun back together and see if the hammer will go all way home on its own. If it does then there's the trouble. Reason: As the hammer travels the last little bit, the tip on the bottom of the pawl bottoms out on the grip frame and cams back in to the window in the recoil shield. It does this against the pressure of the pawl spring. This along with the base pin spring are two sources of pressure the hammer must overcome to make it home. While you have it out, check the pawl spring to see that it hasn't gotten bent. This can occur if the spring gets bit by the grip frame during re-assembly. If this should happen to be the source of your trouble you can try snipping a coil off of the pawl spring. Don't go too far or the pawl may not have enough pressure to maintain contact with the cylinder during cycling. Yep, I am going to take the pistol apart & try it. Thanks!
Deadeye Duvall Posted June 13, 2017 Author Posted June 13, 2017 On 6/2/2017 at 9:13 PM, CodyMaverick said: As a test... Remove the pawl spring and put the gun back together and see if the hammer will go all way home on its own. If it does then there's the trouble. That was it! Thanks Cody Maverick!
watab kid Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 that is too bad , now you have to go through the tuning up again , its why i wont send my old single six there - ever , dont want them adding those parts , ill stick with my locak gunsmith - i trust him ,
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