You make the call

[Noz]

Scenario requires the shooter to empty his rifle, stage in a verticle rack then advance ahead of the staged gun to fire his pistols.

Shooter stages gun horizontally pointed down range, then advanced in front of the muzzle to shoot his pistols.

 

Shooter was given a SDQ but opponents of the call said Minor Safety or P.

 

What does the assembly call.

[Yusta B.]

I would call it unsafe firearm handling, SDQ.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

SDQ for "unsafe firearm handling" as soon as he moved in front of the muzzle of the rifle.

Up to that point, it was only a "P" for failure to follow stage instructions.

There is no MSV listed for such a scenario.

[Marauder SASS #13056]

Asked & answered!

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

38 minutes ago, Marauder SASS #13056 said:

Asked & answered!

So only 2 more pages

 

Randy

[Smokestack SASS#87384]

5 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:

SDQ for "unsafe firearm handling" as soon as he moved in front of the muzzle of the rifle.

Up to that point, it was only a "P" for failure to follow stage instructions.

There is no MSV listed for such a scenario.

Would you make the same call if a shooter swept his own foot while holstering a pistol? 

[Rye Miles #13621]

Yea but wait a minute!!! If the shooter.....................

 

 

 

.................never mind!!

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

9 minutes ago, Smokestack said:

Would you make the same call if a shooter swept his own foot while holstering a pistol? 

 

If it was done with a cocked/uncleared firearm...YES.

I know where this is headed...there is no penalty for "self-sweeping",

...but there IS one for "unsafe firearm handling", under which that would fall...as does the OP.  

[Frontier Lone Rider]

All of the ranges that I shoot at have stopped using a vertical staging rack for firearms as too many times they fall or are not stable, shotguns close, etc.  I would question the stage set-up that still uses vertical racks.

 

In my opinion horizontal staging is much safer and easier, just make sure the muzzle is pointed toward the berm.

[Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator]

Although vertical staging is not seen to often these days, it is good to get a little practice at such on occasions, especially if some big matches such as Winter Range is in your plans (Bar 3 has at least one also).  WR has some excellent stages and two or three are with down range movement requiring vertical staging of at least one long gun.  One stage in particular this year cost a few shooters a P because they staged long gun horizontally quickly before realizing their error (not hearing counters/TO).  Fortunately most of these VS stages do not normally yield a pass-in-front-of-muzzle situation but are deemed unsafe to horizontal position.

[Straight Arrow Hombre]

Vertical staging and restaging of rifles is fine as long as the prop or rack is built correctly and up off the ground a bit. Being able to utilize vertical staging creates more options in down range scenarios. 

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

Vertical staging was one of the reasons for dispensing with the penalty for a long gun action closing...particularly for SxS shotguns. 

[Noz]

18 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said:

So only 2 more pages

 

Randy

Asked and answered, again.

[Kirk James]

On ‎4‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 1:11 PM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:

 

If it was done with a cocked/uncleared firearm...YES.

I know where this is headed...there is no penalty for "self-sweeping",

...but there IS one for "unsafe firearm handling", under which that would fall...as does the OP.  

I have heard the expression for "self-sweeping", but never understood where it applies. 

[Griff]

4 hours ago, Kirk James said:

I have heard the expression for "self-sweeping", but never understood where it applies. 

As in sweeping one's self with the muzzle of your firearm.  As when standing in the "Weaver" stance and putting away the crossdraw.

[Sgt. Chesty SASS # 73317]

6 hours ago, Kirk James said:

I have heard the expression for "self-sweeping", but never understood where it applies. 

 Every time you holster you probably sweep yourself...

[Garrison Joe, SASS #60708]

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Every time you holster you probably sweep yourself..

 

No, you don't, not under SASS rules.   Sweeping is when your gun barrel covers someone else.  There is no "self-sweeping"    

 

May be best to learn to never say "self-sweeping".  Just make sure you remember that your muzzle is tracking across your body, waiting for a chance to make a hole.   

 

Good luck, GJ

[Sgt. Chesty SASS # 73317]

38 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

 

No, you don't, not under SASS rules.   Sweeping is when your gun barrel covers someone else.  There is no "self-sweeping"    

 

May be best to learn to never say "self-sweeping".  Just make sure you remember that your muzzle is tracking across your body, waiting for a chance to make a hole.   

 

Good luck, GJ

 

You got the point, I think they did too!!!

 

 

The rule is you cannot sweep another individual, there is no penalty for sweeping yourself. Hence the allowance to "break" the 170 degree rule while unholstering and holstering...