Shooters Handbook Questions #3 - Gunfighter?

[Father Kit Cool Gun Garth]

On page 13 of the Shooters Handbook under the Heading CATEGORIES and Sub-Heading AGE BASED, the 2nd bullet states:

"Revolvers may be shot in any SASS-legal shooting style, except Gunfighter."

However, on page 14 under the Heading GUNFIGHTER, the 3rd bullet states ""Gunfighter Style" is defined as shooting with a revolver in each hand."

Am I just missing something here?

 

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

Apparently.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

...and you have reached your quota of SHB clarification inquiries for the day.

[Cat Brules]

Uh-oh! Cut off PWB's coffee and Oreo cookies for today.

:-)

[Noz]

My understanding is that gunfighter style can only be shot in Gunfighter categories or B.Western Category.

[Rio Brazos Kid]

On page 13 of the Shooters Handbook under the Heading CATEGORIES and Sub-Heading AGE BASED, the 2nd bullet states:

"Revolvers may be shot in any SASS-legal shooting style, except Gunfighter."

However, on page 14 under the Heading GUNFIGHTER, the 3rd bullet states ""Gunfighter Style" is defined as shooting with a revolver in each hand."

Am I just missing something here?

 

 

Gunfighter is shot with both revolvers out and one in each hand. You CANNOT do this in any age based category. What's so hard to understand about that?????????????

 

RBK

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

Gunfighter or B-Western are the only categories where you can have 2 loaded revolvers out of leather at the same time. Double Duelist style you shoot 1 revolver with each hand but can only have 1 loaded one in hand at a time.

 

Hope this helps

Randy

[El Hombre Sin Nombre]

Based on this thread and the other two, it looks like you're way over thinking things. Just get yourself to a match already and most of your questions will be answered. I think you've been posting for six months or so and still haven't shot a match yet?

[Smokestack SASS#87384]

There ar far more words to read in this thread already than there are in the applicable sections of the rule book....

[Widder, SASS #59054]

Apparently.

 

I have been known to clarify PWB's post.....

 

But I gotta say that this one stands alone.

 

Super hilarious PWB.

 

 

p.s. - its obvious he's getting low on blue ink again.

 

 

..........Widder

[Yusta B.]

On page 13 of the Shooters Handbook under the Heading CATEGORIES and Sub-Heading AGE BASED, the 2nd bullet states:

"Revolvers may be shot in any SASS-legal shooting style, except Gunfighter."

However, on page 14 under the Heading GUNFIGHTER, the 3rd bullet states ""Gunfighter Style" is defined as shooting with a revolver in each hand."

Am I just missing something here?

 

You might consider signing up for a RO 1 course.

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

You might consider signing up for a RO 1 course.

I'd prefer a pard to shoot a few matches BEFORE taking the RO course. There needs to a fundamental understanding of the game from a participant perspective before trying to become a Range Officer.

[Ace_of_Hearts]

You really need to take an RO-I class as soon as possible.

[Cat Brules]

Based on this thread and the other two, it looks like you're way over thinking things. Just get yourself to a match already and most of your questions will be answered. I think you've been posting for six months or so and still haven't shot a match yet?

I'd say that maybe he's somewhat confused with his study of the SHB. That's one thing.... As a member (he is), or even a Guest:

- how many times he's posted here,

- how long he's been posting to the Forums,

- whether he has or has not begun to shoot matches or not,

Is irrelevant. Irrelevant....

 

Redwood kid, I think that, although I DO NOT believe you intended your comments to be taken this way, that they carry the tone of intimidation and derision and lean toward shutting down Father Kit's participation in our sport. I doubt any of us want to see that happen. So my humble suggestion is that we patiently answer others' questions, welcome any of us to engage, contribute and participate, or......we just stay out of the topic.

 

I'm not blasting anyone, especially Redwood Kid, but asking that our comments do not wind up being a gang-up on a new member, resulting in the deflation of his enthusiasm for this game. It ain't worthy of us.

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

I'd say that maybe he's somewhat confused with his study of the SHB. That's one thing.... As a member (he is), or even a Guest:

- how many times he's posted here,

- how long he's been posting to the Forums,

- whether he has or has not begun to shoot matches or not,

Is irrelevant. Irrelevant....

 

Redwood kid, I think that, although I DO NOT believe you intended your comments to be taken this way, that they carry the tone of intimidation and derision and lean toward shutting down Father Kit's participation in our sport. I doubt any of us want to see that happen. So my humble suggestion is that we patiently answer others' questions, welcome any of us to engage, contribute and participate, or......we just stay out of the topic.

 

I'm not blasting anyone, especially Redwood Kid, but asking that our comments do not wind up being a gang-up on a new member, resulting in the deflation of his enthusiasm for this game. It ain't worthy of us.

+1000

There are too many on this site that seem to take affront to answering a question or offering clarification because it wastes their precious time.

But they always seem to have time to offer snarky and rude comments.

 

I used to work supervisory in a casino in a very prominent position near the strip entrance. Being in this position meant my staff was often the first representative of the casino encountered by the public and as such, we became a de facto information booth. My staff would often (understandably) become annoyed at constantly being asked the same "stupid" questions.

But as I had to remind them, "before you get upset, remember that while it may be the 1000th time you have answered that same question... It is the first time that person asked it. And they deserve the same respect and effort as the first person that asked."

[Kulshan 20262]

I'd prefer a pard to shoot a few matches BEFORE taking the RO course. There needs to a fundamental understanding of the game from a participant perspective before trying to become a Range Officer.

RO I is Range Operations. Persons taking this course are not trying to become Range Officers. RO I will soak in better after a few matches, I will agree on that.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L]

I'd prefer a pard to shoot a few matches BEFORE taking the RO course. There needs to a fundamental understanding of the game from a participant perspective before trying to become a Range Officer.

 

​FWIW - (and with no "snark" or rudeness intended)...

​The RO1 is not a "Range Officer" course (that would be the RO2)

​It is the SASS "Range Operations Basic Safety Course",

​which came close to being REQUIRED prior to participating in SASS-rules matches.

​That agenda item failed to pass, but it is still recommended for ALL participants,

​as well as a working knowledge of the SASS Shooters Handbook.

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

None taken, I did not know that.

[Pat Riot]

Based on this thread and the other two, it looks like you're way over thinking things. Just get yourself to a match already and most of your questions will be answered. I think you've been posting for six months or so and still haven't shot a match yet?

Redwood Kid, I joined SASS and it was about 6 months before I could shoot a match. The reason was the expense of getting the guns and equipment I needed along with the expenses of life made it difficult. Also, at that time there was no SASS Wire that I knew of and I didn't know that I could have gone to a match and that people would have helped me out.

 

Father Kit, Redwood Kid is right that you should attend a match and ask questions. Like you, it took me a while to get started. Mostly because of the expense but also we had some family issues that required monetary attention.

 

Once I attended my first match and beyond the rules fell into place for me. On it's own the SHB can be a little confusing but only if you read it on it's own and you have no one to explain things to you. Luckily you have the SASS Wire and you have all of us to lean on when you need help.

 

It's simple, Gunfighter has guidelines for how it should be done. "Age based" categories can be shot with revolvers in any approved shooting style, one handed, two handed, crossdraw holsters, strong side holsters, etc.. Duelist and Gunfighter have more detailed descriptions on how they should be done but in Duelist you can shoot Duelist or Double Duelist. There is also a sub-category called Senior Duelist, which is aged based.

 

The Gunfighter category stands alone, is not age based and has definite rules on how the revolvers are to be handled.

 

I hope this helps and if I got any of it wrong I am sure someone will correct my error.

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

Hi Kit,

 

Allowing GF to be shot in age-based categories, has been brought up many times and shot down.

 

When I first started shooting, GFs were rare. I only knew of one in CA. Some clubs even made a shooter show proficiency before allowing them to shoot GF style. Not allowing it in age-based categories is probably a hold over from those times.

 

Did I read that you have attended your first match? If you haven't, I recommend you go to matches and watch. Pay attention to the different types of sweeps and the calls that are made. That will be helpful at your first few matches.

 

Regards,

 

Allie

[Jefro, SASS#69420]

Am I just missing something here?

 

Yes, going to a couple of matches to see it (and shoot) live and in color . Like PW said, your question quote is full...time to quite wishing and start fishing Good Luck

 

Jefro Relax-Enjoy

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

 

Redwood Kid, I joined SASS and it was about 6 months before I could shoot a match. The reason was the expense of getting the guns and equipment I needed along with the expenses of life made it difficult. Also, at that time there was no SASS Wire that I knew of and I didn't know that I could have gone to a match and that people would have helped me out.

 

Father Kit, Redwood Kid is right that you should attend a match and ask questions. Like you, it took me a while to get started. Mostly because of the expense but also we had some family issues that required monetary attention.

 

Once I attended my first match and beyond the rules fell into place for me. On it's own the SHB can be a little confusing but only if you read it on it's own and you have no one to explain things to you. Luckily you have the SASS Wire and you have all of us to lean on when you need help.

 

It's simple, Gunfighter has guidelines for how it should be done. "Age based" categories can be shot with revolvers in any approved shooting style, one handed, two handed, crossdraw holsters, strong side holsters, etc.. Duelist and Gunfighter have more detailed descriptions on how they should be done but in Duelist you can shoot Duelist or Double Duelist. There is also a sub-category called Senior Duelist, which is aged based.

 

The Gunfighter category stands alone, is not age based and has definite rules on how the revolvers are to be handled.

 

I hope this helps and if I got any of it wrong I am sure someone will correct my error.[/quote

 

As of a couple of years ago Senior Duelist is not an age based category.

 

Thanks

Randy

[Warden Callaway]

I started in fall of 2013. Most everyone shot Winchester 97, Ruger 38s, Uberti 1893s and shot two handed. Seen the trend, although regional, is going to double barrel and duelist or gunfighter.

 

I just watched some video of a club shoot on left cost and most were shooting two handed,97, and 1873. Didn't see a single black powder shooter.

[Nichols Creek, SASS #77627]

 

 

Redwood Kid, I joined SASS and it was about 6 months before I could shoot a match. The reason was the expense of getting the guns and equipment I needed along with the expenses of life made it difficult. Also, at that time there was no SASS Wire that I knew of and I didn't know that I could have gone to a match and that people would have helped me out.

 

Father Kit, Redwood Kid is right that you should attend a match and ask questions. Like you, it took me a while to get started. Mostly because of the expense but also we had some family issues that required monetary attention.

 

Once I attended my first match and beyond the rules fell into place for me. On it's own the SHB can be a little confusing but only if you read it on it's own and you have no one to explain things to you. Luckily you have the SASS Wire and you have all of us to lean on when you need help.

 

It's simple, Gunfighter has guidelines for how it should be done. "Age based" categories can be shot with revolvers in any approved shooting style, one handed, two handed, crossdraw holsters, strong side holsters, etc.. Duelist and Gunfighter have more detailed descriptions on how they should be done but in Duelist you can shoot Duelist or Double Duelist. There is also a sub-category called Senior Duelist, which is aged based.

 

The Gunfighter category stands alone, is not age based and has definite rules on how the revolvers are to be handled.

 

I hope this helps and if I got any of it wrong I am sure someone will correct my error.[/quote

 

As of a couple of years ago Senior Duelist is not an age based category.

 

Thanks

Randy

[Nichols Creek, SASS #77627]

Might want to recheck the part about senior duelist NOT being a age based category.

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

Here is the scoop on Senior Duelist. In the past it did not follow the following Duelist requirement of fixed sights only. It allowed Blackhawks. Now, it must follow the Duelist requirements and is limited to the same age as Senior or stated (Silver Senior...).

 

The same goes tor any category with an age added, for example Senior GF, Senior FC...They must use the guns and leather requirements of the primary category such as GF or FC.

 

I hope my description makes sense.

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

Don't have to, if it was age based you could shoot adjustable sight revolvers. It is a Duelist Category with an age restriction. I'm not the one that came up with this, it was a rule change a couple of years ago

I was typing when Allie Mo replied, my answer was to Nichols Creek


Thanks
Randy

[Nichols Creek, SASS #77627]

Does to me. My reply was only about age and senior duelist. Yes, I understand that the rules were changed to require fixed sight revolvers. But that was not part of the discussion.

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903]

Does to me. My reply was only about age and senior duelist. Yes, I understand that the rules were changed to require fixed sight revolvers. But that was not part of the discussion.

That is the entire discussion , see my answer above. Senior Duelist is no longer an age based Category

 

Thanks

Randy

[Griff]

Might want to recheck the part about senior duelist NOT being a age based category.

Since the change in rules that require age restricted style categories follow the rules for the style first, I consider those categories to be "style-based", regardless of where it's listed in the SHB.

[Nichols Creek, SASS #77627]

My apologies to you all then. I didn't realize I shoot a "style" based category as a senior.

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

BTW, Senior is the only official style category with an age restriction. Official = Published in the SHB. Any others are unofficial and at the Match Director's discretion. For example, Senior GF is unofficial despite it being offered at EOT. (I think I heard it was offered there.)

[Nichols Creek, SASS #77627]

Maybe I'm reading to much into it. They SHB states that seniors are 60 years of age or more. That senior duelist is a recognized duelist category. (PG 13). So where am I misunderstanding?

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

Maybe I'm reading to much into it. They SHB states that seniors are 60 years of age or more. That senior duelist is a recognized duelist category. (PG 13). So where am I misunderstanding?

That is correct.

[Griff]

Maybe I'm reading to much into it. They SHB states that seniors are 60 years of age or more. That senior duelist is a recognized duelist category. (PG 13). So where am I misunderstanding?

IMO, since the rule change, Senior Duelist is more a sub-category of Duelist, as is Double Duelist, than a sub-category of Senior. Falling in line with how the other "unofficial" age restricted style-based category rules are set up. But... I could be wrong. Heck, I'm still waiting on Silver Senior Frontiersman (limited to pre-1900 designed guns). :unsure: