Nickel City Dude 306 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 On another thread on the wire they were discussing letting prospective members try out your guns. This sounds good in but in New York it is not legal. I can’t even go to my local gun dealer and handle a gun unless I first show him my Pistol Permit. Technically I cannot let another person try out my hand guns unless they also have my guns on there permit. (In NY every single hand gun you own is on your permit). Now with that said I am sure that it happens all the time and the only shortfall would be if someone injures themselves or others would the law give you a hard time. My point is in NY we cannot legally loan our guns to prospects. Any one have an solution for this problem? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Griff 1,441 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Move to the USA. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nickel City Dude 306 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 Yes, I would love to move to another state but my wife will not leave her grand kids and I still have 2 elderly parents that live here and I can't abandon them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Major E A Sterner #12916 264 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I believe there is a exemption for loaning a gun at a certified match,but would have to check on that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Bullweed 433 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Tell every NY resident that you know to be conservative and then tell them that they need to vote. All of NYC cannot be liberal. Until, be smart and keep the law as much as possible. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lost Trail 115 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Getting the conservatives or even anti anti-gun folks to vote is key. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Original Lumpy Gritz 7,208 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 So-You are saying that as you stand there next to the shooter. He/she can not legally shoot your handgun under NY law? Can you post a link to that law for us to see? OLG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lunger 9 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Trump Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Major E A Sterner #12916 264 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 I sent an e-mail to the NY state police to verify what is allowed under the law,will have to see if or when they respond,I'll do a copy and paste of their answer when(if) I get one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eyesa Horg 1,525 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Move to Vermont. It's still close to NY and no BS gun laws here. Yet, anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rooster Ron Wayne 1,464 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Move to the USA. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Key Hay 2 Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Company I worked for in Oregon was headquartered in upstate NY. They closed down our facility (Because of Obama's Medical device tax to pay for Obamacare). They wanted me to move to NY and made me a very very nice move offer. Was considering till I found out what I would have to go through to get my guns there (well the ones they would let me). I feel for my friends in Upstate having to deal with the whims of NYC. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Widder, SASS #59054 7,425 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 SO, if you have a malfunction, you legally can't hand over your malfunction firearm. That's interesting. ..........Widder Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Payne 13115 15 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 No one 21 or older can handle a handgun with out a permit. 14 to 21 can handle while supervised by a permit holding adult, LE or military personel. Long guns can be shot at 12 years old. Handguns can be shot by another permit holder while in the presence of the owner. Having said that, Dude you insist on putting this stuff out there. I do not know if you are trying to be helpful or just paranoid. Last year you posted some other thing about lever action rifles. Give it a break!! You put stuff out there for the whole world to see. Thanks but no thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cemetery 296 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Getting the conservatives or even anti anti-gun folks to vote is key. Not to hijack this thread too bad, it's said that most voters in NY State stay home on election day, because NYC voters trump them at every turn. Not sure how true this is, but it is a similar factor in NJ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Payne 13115 15 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Cemetary you are 100% correect. We still have Cuomo as Gov because the gun owners stayed home again!! We can not outvote NYC unless we all stick together and vote. Too sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chicken Scratch 33 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 God I love the South!!!!! got my 1st 22 at 6. Got my 32 at 8. by the time I join the Navy I had a full collection of firearms, at my Grandparents house in Mississippi. Here in Florida I've got 2 safes full and working on a 3rd, no permits, 3 stamps, and a CC, no worries Chicken Scratch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Assassin 1,501 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 No one 21 or older can handle a handgun with out a permit. 14 to 21 can handle while supervised by a permit holding adult, LE or military personel. Long guns can be shot at 12 years old. Handguns can be shot by another permit holder while in the presence of the owner. Having said that, Dude you insist on putting this stuff out there. I do not know if you are trying to be helpful or just paranoid. Last year you posted some other thing about lever action rifles. Give it a break!! You put stuff out there for the whole world to see. Thanks but no thanks. How much are those permits? Sounds like a money maker for the state. New Yorkers need to revolt! Considering NY was part of the original 13 colonies and stood up against the tyranny of England it's a damn shame the citizens of a once great state allowed this to happen. The thought police would lock me up in NY. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom Payne 13115 15 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Assassin in theory it sounds good; in practice its impossible!! Up until the un-SAFE ACT it was a lifetime license. You paid all fees one time at application, out of NYC. Now it has to be re-newed every 5 years with no cost now!! Who knows in the next 5 year renewal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nickel City Dude 306 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 Having said that, Dude you insist on putting this stuff out there. I do not know if you are trying to be helpful or just paranoid. Last year you posted some other thing about lever action rifles. Give it a break!! You put stuff out there for the whole world to see. Thanks but no thanks. Tom I just put this "stuff" out there to inform other New Yorkers and to warn pards in other states that they could be next if they don't watch out and vote. As to the lever guns, in NY if your lever guns magazine can hold more than 10 rounds it is not legal in NY. This all happened when the new SAFE Act became law. The reality is that very few Law people will take the time and effort to check your magazine unless they are already arresting you for something else and then they will pile on any and all charges they can think of. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life 751 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I love Idaho!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life 540 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 So with all that has been said how would an out of state person like myself (from Colorado) go about shooting a match in NY? Is it possible? and what kind of hoops/regulations would apply? Thanks Gateway Kid If to much of a hijack let me know and I will delete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nickel City Dude 306 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 I believe there is some Federal law that allows someone from another state to bring his guns into a different state for the purpose of shooting an NRA sanctioned event. I have been told that you can have your guns in the other state for 48 hours before and 48 hours after the event. You must also have a flyer or registration form with you to prove your are going to an out of state match. Not positive about this but this is what I have heard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kid Rich 776 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 I believe there is some Federal law that allows someone from another state to bring his guns into a different state for the purpose of shooting an NRA sanctioned event. I have been told that you can have your guns in the other state for 48 hours before and 48 hours after the event. You must also have a flyer or registration form with you to prove your are going to an out of state match. Not positive about this but this is what I have heard. In NY you are allowed to bring your guns in 48 hrs before a shoot and must leave within 48 hrs when the shoot is over. You also must have a confirmation from the shoot that you are a registered participant. In addition you must have a Concealed Carry Permit from your state of residence in order to go to a shoot in NY with your guns. Again that is NY, most other STATES do not put a restriction on gun ownership or possession. This is NOT the Feds that are doing the restriction, it is NY. kR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nickel City Dude 306 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 KR Thanks for the clarification, I was not sure about the law on this point. NCD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Original Lumpy Gritz 7,208 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 In NY you are allowed to bring your guns in 48 hrs before a shoot and must leave within 48 hrs when the shoot is over. You also must have a confirmation from the shoot that you are a registered participant. In addition you must have a Concealed Carry Permit from your state of residence in order to go to a shoot in NY with your guns. Again that is NY, most other STATES do not put a restriction on gun ownership or possession. This is NOT the Feds that are doing the restriction, it is NY. kR What if your state of residence is a no-permit to carry state? OLG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Griff 1,441 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 What if your state of residence is a no-permit to carry state? OLG Again, move to the USA. (Sorry OLG, couldn't resist). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Annabelle Bransford 8 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Please stop putting stuff on the Wire about gun laws as a fact if you don't know what you are talking about. Ask it as a question. Otherwise, you do more damage with incorrect info than the anti gunners do. Tom Payne (who has an FFL, teaches NYS pistol permit classes, and works in a gun shop in NY) was correct about loaning guns in NY. Nickel City Dude was wrong about this. Kid Rich was partially correct in his response about having pistols at a match in NY; however, you do NOT necessarily have to have a Concealed Carry permit from your home state. (Please note that NYS does not recognize concealed carry permits from any other states. You cannot carry concealed in NYS unless you have a NYS concealed carry permit.). What you DO have to do is follow the rules for owning a handgun in your state of residence. If your state does not issues permits (concealed carry or otherwise), that does not preclude you from shooting in NY. Also, it should be noted that the 48 hrs before and after an NRA sanctioned event pertains only to handguns, not rifles and shotguns. The best thing to do when traveling to another state is to contact the State Police prior to taking firearms into that state as the laws change frequently. We have been hosting Heluva Rukus, the NY State CAS Championship, at our club for 16 years. It is one of the largest matches in the country, normally having 225-275 competitors from 17-18 states and Canada participating. All of our CAS, WB, and Action Pistol matches (monthly and annual) are NRA sanctioned. We put the basic laws for having/transporting guns within the state on our website (www.circlekregulators.com) and on each person's confirmation. Follow the laws, and all is well. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kid Rich 776 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Annabelle I believe that it says on the HR application that you must have a permit from your state of residence. If not I am in error. kR Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bugler 131 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Another reason that I love Montana!!! Bugler Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nickel City Dude 306 Posted January 26, 2017 Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 Annabelle I know you think you are correct but I am only repeating what my local FFL Gun dealer told me about the hand gun laws. I know for a fact about the restriction of 10 rounds max in a long gun because I have personally researched this issue and have reached out to my local Assembly man to try to change the law. He is a Demorat so very little happened to correct the law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Noah Cash 36 Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 All this stuff has changed many times since I moved out of N.Y. but I sure don't have any reason to go back to live. Utah is not my/our first choice for other reasons, however based on gun regulations, it is one of the top choices in the nation. New York would toss away the key to my cell if I /We ever went back there to take up residence! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J.D. Daily 318 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I believe there is some Federal law that allows someone from another state to bring his guns into a different state for the purpose of shooting an NRA sanctioned event. I have been told that you can have your guns in the other state for 48 hours before and 48 hours after the event. You must also have a flyer or registration form with you to prove your are going to an out of state match. Not positive about this but this is what I have heard. NY frequently ignores Federal laws regarding transportation of firearms. There are many anecdotal stories of air travelers with flight changes in one of the NYC airports that have firearms carried legally in their checked baggage and when because of their connecting flight cancelation picking up their bags at baggage claim & being arrested by NY LEO's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life 751 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Life is too short to shoot in some states. Sadly, New York is one of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Assassin 1,501 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Life is too short to shoot in some states. Sadly, New York is one of them. I agree with you MM, we are also lucky here in Wyoming to have the freedom that we enjoy. NY has become overcivilized and unfortunately freedom is diminished there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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