Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 It has come to my attention that there are folks out there that are loading Shotshell with less than 3 grains more blackpowder than I use in .45 Colt .... These loads hardly smoke more than old IVI smokeless loads ... It is in my opinion pushing things too far ,,, shotshells used in the Blackpowder classes should smoke more than smokeless.to a noticeable degree .... I shoot FCD and my loads SMOKE .... Do I expect everyones loads to be as smokie as mine NO ! Flame away ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I do ... Jabez Cowboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarillo Rattler Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) My practice BP load is 34 of 2F. Plastic wad, OS wad and rolled crimp. My match load is 40 and 52 of 2F, OP then lubed wad, then dry filler wad, then lead and OS wad, rolled crimp. If the practice load is fired near or on the KD, it's down. The smaller match load is used 90%+ of the time. The heavy match load is used for difficult KDs, smaller or at significant angles. When I used waxed filler wad loads, that resulted in many misses, due to the donut patterns. Just sayin' Amarillo Rattler Edited December 29, 2016 by Amarillo Rattler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 The more smoke and flame the better, my 12 year old agrees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 SO Do we need another smoke standard for Shotguns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 SO Do we need another smoke standard for Shotguns? YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 SO Do we need another smoke standard for Shotguns? YES AND Raise the one for pistols and rifles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I get more smoke & flame & fireworks with Fg powder Bigger granules, many of which exit the barrels still burning = quite a show. --Dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I've used Grafs Reenactor in everything until switching to BlackMZ. Grafts Reenactor is about like cracked corn. I think the BlackMZ puts out as much or more smoke than Reenactor. For some reason, my loads in rifle, pistol ot shotgun don't put out flame. Maybe need cornmeal filler on top of powder? A lot depends on humidity and breeze. I use pretty light loads and I often loose the targets in the bank of smoke. I see (in my videos) people behind me backing up and fanning the smoke as it drifts over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 I've used Grafs Reenactor in everything until switching to BlackMZ. Grafts Reenactor is about like cracked corn. I think the BlackMZ puts out as much or more smoke than Reenactor. For some reason, my loads in rifle, pistol ot shotgun don't put out flame. Maybe need cornmeal filler on top of powder? A lot depends on humidity and breeze. I use pretty light loads and I often loose the targets in the bank of smoke. I see (in my videos) people behind me backing up and fanning the smoke as it drifts over them. Most of the subs don't flame. You need to go to real black for the full effect. I shot some Fg Skirmish at a night shoot. My night vision went away on the first shot but the spectators said the burning powder granules were bouncing off of the targets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted December 29, 2016 Share Posted December 29, 2016 (edited) I use a load that is efficient in respect to powder consumption and target knockdown ability. The fact that it provides about twice the smoke per shot of my rifle & pistol loads is simply a side-effect that annoys others nearly all the time, and me some of the time... wind direction seems a part of that phenomenon. Just how (insert favored Naval expletive here) thick does the rule book have to get before everyone will abide by it? We have enough stinkin' rules to argue about now! And, seemingly do, at the drop of a hat! Edited to correct auto-fill... Edited December 29, 2016 by Griff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoken D Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I remember a fellow that used 100 2F. Didn't think that shotgun would ever stop smoking. I use 36% less than he does with lots of flame and smoke commen out of that 12ga. That's FUN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, other than to brag about how much better of a black powder shooter you are than the rest of us wannabes. The one thing I like the most about shooting bp is the camaraderie I feel with fellow bp shooters. I don't think we need to start an elitist branch denigrating all those that you think aren't doing it right. I have yet to meet anyone shooting in the bp categories just to increase their competitive advanatage. Maybe they exist, but so far the only ones I've met do it for the love of bp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) I don't know. Doesn't seem worth getting outta bed if you're using less than 70grains of black........... Edited December 30, 2016 by Cemetery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Here is Fingers McGee showing how to lay down a smoke screen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 To smoke, or not to smoke, that is the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder Creek Kid Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 At least 60 grains for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, other than to brag about how much better of a black powder shooter you are than the rest of us wannabes. The one thing I like the most about shooting bp is the camaraderie I feel with fellow bp shooters. I don't think we need to start an elitist branch denigrating all those that you think aren't doing it right. I have yet to meet anyone shooting in the bp categories just to increase their competitive advanatage. Maybe they exist, but so far the only ones I've met do it for the love of bp Oh yea, well my smoke stinks more than yours! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulp, SASS#28319 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Here's one from many years ago at Cavern Cove. Been posted before, but quite awhile back. https://youtu.be/N0ocbJrtIyY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Here's one from many years ago at Cavern Cove. Been posted before, but quite awhile back. https://youtu.be/N0ocbJrtIyY Thats right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Avenger Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 smoke https://youtu.be/cq0FmpNvenE fire https://youtu.be/Ly2tH0AVL6I Black and white https://youtu.be/q90N0G_lv58 Billy the Avenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I get more smoke & flame & fireworks with Fg powder Try blasting powder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I load my .45s to the max with 255 grain bullets. I fill my 19 gauge 3-1/2 brass shells chick full of Holy Black nitro wad, fiber wads, shot and an over shot wad sealed with Duco Cement. I have a real blast ;) with wart hog loads of Schuetzen. I'd add more BP but no matter how much I cram it in, I can't add any more.I love the smoke, flame and boom so a little recoil is just fun anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 OOOOPS!!!!! Not 19 gauge but 10 gauge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Howdy I put put pretty much the same amount of powder into my 12 gauge shells as I do in a 45-70. Don't really care too much what anybody else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cherokee Sam Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I use APP FFG. Not true black, no flame. Use only moderate powder loads as they seem to produce plenty of smoke as illustrated in this video. https://youtu.be/ZxnjaM8zKeI 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Rick, SASS #49739L Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Howdy I put put pretty much the same amount of powder into my 12 gauge shells as I do in a 45-70. Don't really care too much what anybody else does. Yep - Gotta put the KDs down and be confident in your load. What works for others, works for others. CR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I use APP FFG. Not true black, no flame. Use only moderate powder loads as they seem to produce plenty of smoke as illustrated in this video. https://youtu.be/ZxnjaM8zKeI I use APP in my 25.20, nice and smokey...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 It has come to my attention that there are folks out there that are loading Shotshell with less than 3 grains more blackpowder than I use in .45 Colt .... I've been thinking of using 3" shells for my SxS just so I can get more powder in........... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Bucks #36386 Life Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancy Shot, SASS #67163 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 (edited) I use 41 grains of FFg. I think that is enough. http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g226/wildemuthstevenl/_93R9337_original_zpsieochize.jpg Chancy Edited December 30, 2016 by Chancy Shot, SASS #67163 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted December 30, 2016 Author Share Posted December 30, 2016 Well it seems that their might be a problem and some might wish it weren't so but it is probley isn't beyond that which can best be remediated by peer pressure... Thank-you all for your imput .... Keep them smoking .... Happy New Year ... Jabez Cowboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I don't care what others shoot. I shoot for my own satisfaction. --Dawg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I don't care what others shoot. I shoot for my own satisfaction. --Dawg AMEN, BROTHER!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 I don't care what others shoot. I shoot for my own satisfaction. --Dawg AMEN, BROTHER!!!!!! Aye, what they both said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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