Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) I'm visiting with my father-in-law and he brought out a bucket of old ammo to see if I was interested in any of it.Most all of it was too old for my taste to shoot not knowing what kind of damage might occur when shot out of my new firearms.Here are two photos if anyone can tell me what kind they are as I have never seen this type before.Appreciate your help and MERRY CHRISTMAS. http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s547/fatherkitcoolgungarth/bullet2_zpsw99dfsnw.jpg http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s547/fatherkitcoolgungarth/bullet1_zpszddx4l5e.jpg NOTE: Hopefully I've got them loaded above, Edited December 25, 2016 by Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 It's that "stealth" ammo made back around the turn of the century... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Blanks? Haha. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 we used them all the time when i was much younger,,,, bang bang you're dead!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 NOT blanks-That is Winchester-Western .38 special 148 gn flat nose wadcutter for the S&W model 52 .38 Special semi-auto target pistol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_52 OLG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 the earlier replies were to the post before the pics were added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Yep its a wadcutter bullet. I load them for my Bulls Eye target shooting. Makes a nice smooth, round hole in the paper! I shoot them in a S & W K38 Target Masterpiece revolver. Edited December 25, 2016 by Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Exactly my thought. 38 Special 148g wadcutter target load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 Does this type of ammo result in less accuracy than round nose lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 No-It shoots 'tighter' than RN ever will. It is loaded for Bullseye competition and shot out to 50yds. OLG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Full wadcutter ammo is not used in CAS for a couple of reasons . If bullet is BELOW flush with end of case, it's illegal by rule. Won't feed well through lever or pump guns. Made to be shot in target revolvers. Good luck, GJ (Exact measurement correction applied) Edited December 26, 2016 by Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Crimp the wadcutter where a little lead protrudes from the case and voila they are perfectly legal. Not gonna feed in a levergun tho unless it is a Widdermajic or other such similar wundergun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Full wadcutter ammo is not used in CAS for a couple of reasons . If bullet is flush with end of case, it's illegal by rule. Good luck, GJ Where in 'the book' does it state this? OLG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullett Sass 19707 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 GJ is correct as long as the smallest amount of the bullet protrudes it is perfectly legal. I have shot it a state and regional matches. Bullett 19707 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Lumpy, some years back there was a round produced called the Bandit. It was a full wad cutter flush with the case. There was a big discussion over this round and it was decided it could not be used in SASS. The company that produce the Bandit then made a change and made the Bandit II, which was the same round with the lead bullet extended out past the edge of the brass about 1/8". The decision was made that the Bandit II was a legal round. This set the president that any rounds with some lead extended out past the case rim would be legal. Any round with flush with the case or recessed lead in to the case would not be legal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Where in 'the book' does it state this? OLG SHB pg 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Lumpy is correct about the load and it's use in the S&W Model 52. That stuff looks pretty old. I wouldn't shoot it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Is there a safety reason why the bullet need to extend past the brass? I am not arguing with the rule just wondering why. Edited December 25, 2016 by Nickel City Dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Is there a safety reason why the bullet need to extend past the brass? I am not arguing with the rule just wondering why. I was told so that loading officers could ensure shooters were loading lead bullets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Is there such a thing as a FMJ wadcutter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) Never seen one, but Rainer makes them. Edited December 25, 2016 by John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cayuse Jack, SASS #19407 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Is there such a thing as a FMJ wadcutter? There are copper plated wadcutters which are illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 There are also gaschecked bullets: lead with a small copper cap on he bullet base to reduce fowling and increase sealing. Shot them ata local match, and then reload them as you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Fire, SASS 10064 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Wadcutter ammo is mainly used for paper targets. The wadcutter will cut a round hole on the paper target which is helpful with the scoring. If a round cuts the line of the next higher scoring ring on the target the higher score is counted. In some cases a target plug is inserted into the bullet hole to check the score value. While many are correct that the Smith & Wesson Mdl. 52(semi auto) used wadcutter ammo it was and is used in many other handguns for target shooting. Back in the old days when the wheel guns were the issue weapon of law enforcement they were also the handgun used in PPC competition. I fired many thousands of rounds of wadcutter ammo in my Smith & Wesson K frame with custom bull barrel and bomar rib. Most wadcutters are made from a softer lead blend then we use for SASS. We used to load 148 grain hollowbase wadcutters upside down for close shooting at skunks and other varmints. They were a cheap form of hollowpoint with terrific close range energy transfer to target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) You can shoot the wadcutters in your revolver, but DON'T try to cycle them through your lever-action rifle. They are too short, and without the rounded nose, these will not chamber and instead, will hang up, jam your rifle and will be a problem to clear.....every around. You could remove the magazine plug, but some wise "helper" at the unloading table will bugger up the slot on your mag tube plug trying to unscrew it. Just shoot them in your revolvers. I will be exceptionally surprised if you have any failures to fire (FTF's). Accuracy? These are highly accurate, and very low recoil. Again, don't even think about cycling these through your lever-action rifle. Edited December 26, 2016 by Cat Brules, SASS #14086 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 (edited) Full wadcutter ammo is not used in CAS for a couple of reasons. If bullet is flush with end of case, it's illegal by rule. Won't feed well through lever or pump guns. Made to be shot in target revolvers. Crimp the wadcutter where a little lead protrudes from the case and voila they are perfectly legal. Not gonna feed in a levergun tho unless it is a Widdermajic or other such similar wundergun. Where in 'the book' does it state this? OLG GJ is correct as long as the smallest amount of the bullet protrudes it is perfectly legal. I have shot it a state and regional matches. Bullett 19707 Lumpy, some years back there was a round produced called the Bandit. It was a full wad cutter flush with the case. There was a big discussion over this round and it was decided it could not be used in SASS. The company that produce the Bandit then made a change and made the Bandit II, which was the same round with the lead bullet extended out past the edge of the brass about 1/8". The decision was made that the Bandit II was a legal round. This set the president that any rounds with some lead extended out past the case rim would be legal. Any round with flush with the case or recessed lead in to the case would not be legal. "Ammunition with bullets recessed below the case mouth is disallowed." SHB p.12 That is what the rule ACTUALLY says... AT or beyond the mouth of the case is LEGAL. Edited December 26, 2016 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 There he is. Good to see you back. ;^) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 There he is. Good to see you back. ;^) Thanks! Gettin' used to some upgraded equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 PWB you just gave a bunch of cowboys a really good Christmas present. Glad to see you back. kR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 PWB Glad youre doing well. I shot a ton of wadcutter ammo in my pistols when a fiend gave it to me from his dads stash. Then he gave me some Ënglish Light Load"12 ga. I thought they would be great for CAS. English Light Load is British for Goose load. Imis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 NOT blanks-That is Winchester-Western .38 special 148 gn flat nose wadcutter for the S&W model 52 .38 Special semi-auto target pistol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_52 OLG +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Welcome back PWB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Henry Quick Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 CAS aside, if you just want to shoot the stuff, as recently as abut 5 years ago, I was shooting Greek M2 Ball ammo in my Garand from 1960. Nary a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 WELCOME BACK PWB The reason I ask'd, was the bullet appears to 'just' go past the case mouth in the pictures. PWB-Would you rule that a legal round? Looks to be so in the pictures? That's why I asked about the rule in 'the-book'. OLG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 "Ammunition with bullets recessed below the case mouth is disallowed." SHB p.12 That is what the rule ACTUALLY says... AT or beyond the mouth of the case is LEGAL. That's how I load HBWC to shoot in my .36 cal percussion pistols. Makes for a highly accurate BP round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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