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My Miroku Winchesterhas one problem. It ejects all my fired brass downrange out the front of the stage making it impossible to recover till after the end of the match. Has anyone else been through this situation? Any fixes? Irish Pat

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I would think that all that flying brass between you and the targets would make shooting difficult. Does it bother you?

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It does not bother me when I am shooting a stage. It bothers me a lot at the unloading table when I never get any rifle brass returned to me

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Yes, many of the Winchester 73's throw empties forward.

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I have 2 Miroku Winchesters 1873's, One is in 38/357 and One in 44-40 the 44-40 puts the brass behind me. The 38/357 all goes forward. And really hates 38's So losing most of the 357 Brass is a double Ouch. Best advice is sort head stamps and lose the oldest and crappyest brass in the rifle and save the good starline for the pistols. I have been told a good smith can make some adjustments to maybe help sent the brass back alittle maybe

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I have 2 Miroku Winchesters 1873's, One is in 38/357 and One in 44-40 the 44-40 puts the brass behind me. The 38/357 all goes forward. And really hates 38's So losing most of the 357 Brass is a double Ouch. Best advice is sort head stamps and lose the oldest and crappyest brass in the rifle and save the good starline for the pistols. I have been told a good smith can make some adjustments to maybe help sent the brass back alittle maybe

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My miroku 45lc throws to the side all the ones I've heard throwing forward have been 38/357 s . Talk to a Smith they may be able to help

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I never shot mine in 38/357 before I had it short stroked and tuned. I throws the brass back behind me just like my Uberti's all do. I have no idea what he did but I get my brass back at the loading table.

GB

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My Miroku Winchesterhas one problem. It ejects all my fired brass downrange out the front of the stage making it impossible to recover till after the end of the match. Has anyone else been through this situation? Any fixes? Irish Pat

 

It sounds like a timing/tuning thing.

 

If you have or can borrow a GoPro or similar camera that you can mount on your hat/head you could take some video and watch it in SloMo to see what's actually happening with the brass when it ejects. You could also video another rifle like a Uberti that ejects back over your head for comparison.

 

The fix could be something fairly simple as tweaking the extractor hook or a bit more complex as the timing of the position of the bolt when the carrier makes contact with the brass.

 

You could do like Grey Beard and have the rifle tuned by a '73 specialist and that may take care of it.

 

My rifles are all CodyMatics and like to deposit the brass on my hat, or if I'm not wearing a hat they just go in the collar of my shirt, Ouch!

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When a 73 is tuned the usual trick is to re-contour the top of the lifter so that it will throw the brass near the firing line. If you take a look at the top of the carriers of the 73's that thave been tuned you can see the difference from factory new lifters. Sometimes bottle necked cartridges (38/40 and 44/40) seem to be less prone to the forward pitch. Straight walled cases seem to be more likely to throw forward. YMMV

 

Blackfoot

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Just to add a comment, I have two Winchesters 38/357 , a short barrel and a 24 inch barrel, neither one throws the brass forward, both are off to the side, and I usually shoot 38's in both, never had a problem. Neither gun has been worked on, both are stock. Go figure.

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I shoot Marlins and stopped worrying about brass a long time ago. As Slim Jim Hamilton suggested: Sort by head stamp and condition and save the good stuff for your wheel guns. Lost brass is just another cost of playing the game.

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How far forward? Could you get it wiith a long handled "grabber" thingy? If so, buy one, take it to the firing line with you and ask someone to use it...or, modify the rifle.

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Howdy,

 

Mark your brass with a sharpie/ magic marker until you are able to resolve the problem.

 

Hasta Luego, Keystone

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Wear a hat that is capable of catching your and everybody elses brass

Notice dirty spot on hat brim

Imis

Edited by Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646

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Also might consider until you can have your rifle issue corrected, take a step back away from the firing line giving more distance for the brass to fall in that is behind the firing line.

 

I know.. I know closer is better but really the bullets will go another 2' down range to the targets. Really they will.

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I would think that all that flying brass between you and the targets would make shooting difficult. Does it bother you?

You didn't see Pat shooting - that ejected brass had already landed before he pulled the trigger again. :ph34r:

Good to see ya again yesterday Pat and congrats on the clean match!

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Sounds like either the extractor is holding the fired brass too long, and the bolt or the rim of the next round is hitting the fired case and throwing it forward. Try this: Load and fire a live round, or just load a fired case into the chamber. Open the action and close it again slowly, and note where the brass is thrown. Do the same thing working the action quickly, and again note where the case goes. Make up a dummy round (no powder, no primer). Load it in the magazine and load an empty in the chamber. Work the action slowly and see if the empty is being pushed forward by the following round. You may need to have the extractor worked on so as to release the fired case before the bolt goes forward during the cycle. Be very cautious about how much you relieve the extractor. May be a good idea to consult a 'smith who knows how to work on '73's.

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Let me start over. Some one name me a gunsmith that has fixed this problemplease

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my uberti 73 kicks them forward, i just got used to it

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My daughter and I both shoot the Winchesters and love them. I buy .38 brass by the bucket. Beating a couple of our shooters to my brass after the match is almost impossible. One guy we shoot with put two layers of duct tape on the top of the lifter of his rifle and the forward throw quit.

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If you examine the carrier on your Winchester /Miroku 73, you will note that the top of the carrier is beveled or notched on the right hand side. That was designed into the rifle so that it will throw the brass forward and away from the shooter. In short, the Miroku is tuned to show the brass forward - at least the 38/357 seems to be. The only "fix" I know of is to install the Pioneer Gunworks kit which includes a new carrier.

 

 

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lil filing will fix it,,, file the curved area a very little at a time,,, my 73 throws them into my hat,,,take a lil more off one side to get it to throw slightly to the side,,

 

remember, a lil at a time increasing the champher or bevel

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