PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) ROC RULING CARPENTER/PAINTER PANTS = ACCEPTABLE CARGO PANTS = NOT !! History of the basic designs Carpenter/painter pants are basically overalls without the bib or suspenders which date to the 1700s as working outerwear. "Cargo pants" are based on 1938 British military design with the leg pockets for carrying battle gear (wound dressings) TOP = CARPENTER PANTS = LEGAL BOTTOM = CARGO PANTS = ILLEGAL Edited December 4, 2016 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 815 Posted December 4, 2016 Not being a fashion expert are there any photos demonstrating what you are talking about? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 30 Posted December 4, 2016 Makes sense to me, but still like suspenders with my pants. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colorado Coffinmaker 2,088 Posted December 4, 2016 Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 4, 2016 Not being a fashion expert are there any photos demonstrating what you are talking about? Edited post Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?" Mixing CAS with "tacti-cool"?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocWard 3,183 Posted December 4, 2016 Edited post Mixing CAS with "tacti-cool"?? Tacti-CAS? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 11,287 Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) SASS-ti-cool...NOT! Talkin' about the Cargo pants Edited December 5, 2016 by Pat Riot, SASS #13748 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L 1,351 Posted December 4, 2016 I found some carpenter pants that are made of same material as the pants my uncle gave me in RVN only color is 'natural' Took the belt loops off and wear with suspenders. Great in Texas heat and humidity cr Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 4, 2016 I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop". But that has NOT been verified. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C0ckr0ach, SASS #26100 63 Posted December 4, 2016 without the hammer loop, pants seem to be just rust colored jeans ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 4, 2016 without the hammer loop, pants seem to be just rust colored jeans ? Pretty much...that's one of the reasons why they are OK. The cargo/BDUs are NOT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid Rich 193 Posted December 5, 2016 I'm guessing some colors are legal and some not. kR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 5, 2016 I'm guessing some colors are legal and some not. kR Color did not enter into the discussion. Which ones would not be legal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major Crimes 1,625 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) . Which ones would not be legal? Pink with purple colored spots? Unless of course your alias is an 1870's clown Edited December 5, 2016 by Major Crimes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McCandless 1,250 Posted December 5, 2016 Please wear Pants!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 29 Posted December 5, 2016 I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop". But that has NOT been verified. it's a tomahawk loop 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kid Rich 193 Posted December 5, 2016 Camo. kR Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Camo. kR That is covered in the RO3 manual. ...also in the SHB p.3 Edited December 5, 2016 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ace_of_Hearts 660 Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop". But that has NOT been verified. Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot. I did not press the discussion as to why. Edited December 5, 2016 by Ace_of_Hearts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Colorado Coffinmaker 2,088 Posted December 5, 2016 If it don't have a loop onna pants leg, where ya gonna hang yer beer cozy?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. George Baylor SASS#24287L 4 Posted December 5, 2016 Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?" Well, I found them useful in Vietnam. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 5, 2016 Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot. I did not press the discussion as to why. That is an opinion that has not been confirmed. Since this most recent ROC clarification states that Carpenter pants and overalls are LEGAL (without any modifications) there is no requirement to remove the "tomahawk" loop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ramblin Gambler 695 Posted December 7, 2016 Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rancho Roy 193 Posted December 7, 2016 The carpenter pants with the "folding ruler" pocket on the right leg-rear is perfect to put your loading strip! Remove hammer loop and belt loops. Add suspender buttons.......Good to go and looking sharp! I just bought a few pair at WalMart for $18 a pair....Heavy canvas in Light Brown, Dark Brown and Tan.......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 7, 2016 Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern. REF: post #1 re: "History..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 925 Posted December 7, 2016 Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern. I've worn them before, I figured it was my best chance to be the overall champion Randy 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L 265 Posted December 9, 2016 Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot. I did not press the discussion as to why. Well if the dude is carrying a Tomahawk in that loop.... Tex can tell him its Illegal, Cuz I sure Aint 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chicken Scratch 31 Posted December 10, 2016 Do these pants make my butt look Big? Chicken Scratch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,169 Posted December 10, 2016 Do these pants make my butt look Big? Chicken Scratch It ain't the pants! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 30 Posted December 13, 2016 Mine is the opposite problem so its baggy. I cannot see well enough to sew on buttons so going b western with a silver belt buckle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 7 Posted December 24, 2016 I was under the assumption that pants were supposed to have a button fly, but after examining these have found that they have zipper fly. What would I do, remove the zipper and shoot with a gap, or bring back the safety pin. Should we consider opening a new class for zipper fly shooters? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tracker Jack Daniels,58780 188 Posted December 24, 2016 Where in the rules does it state pants need to have button flies? What book, what page? We don't need another category to accomodate a phantom rule. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 7 Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Where in the rules does it state pants need to have button flies? What book, what page? We don't need another category to accomodate a phantom rule. To be Period Correct. All the True West seem to have button fly. Why does Levi have 501? Edited December 24, 2016 by Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Noz 1,222 Posted December 24, 2016 I can see it now! Visualize the MD asking for fly inspection volunteers to go into the crowd and check everyone's crotch. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 7 Posted December 24, 2016 I can see it now! Visualize the MD asking for fly inspection volunteers to go into the crowd and check everyone's crotch. That could be added to SPOTTER'S responsibilities. Shouldn't slow the Shoot down as this could also be done at the loading table, much like looking at guns to make sure they are properly loaded. Just a quick glance would suffice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites