PANTS - LEGAL & ILLEGAL

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

​ROC RULING

CARPENTER/PAINTER PANTS = ACCEPTABLE

​CARGO PANTS = ​NOT ​!!

 

History of the basic designs

Carpenter/painter pants are basically overalls without the bib or suspenders which date to the 1700s as working outerwear.

"Cargo pants" are based on 1938 British military design with the leg pockets for carrying battle gear (wound dressings)

 

 

 

 

TOP = CARPENTER PANTS = LEGAL

BOTTOM = CARGO PANTS = ILLEGAL

Edited December 4, 2016 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 805]

Not being a fashion expert are there any photos demonstrating what you are talking about?

[Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 30]

Makes sense to me, but still like suspenders with my pants.

[Colorado Coffinmaker 1,929]

Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?"

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

Not being a fashion expert are there any photos demonstrating what you are talking about?

Edited post

 

Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?"

Mixing CAS with "tacti-cool"??

[DocWard 3,014]

 

Edited post

 

Mixing CAS with "tacti-cool"??

 

Tacti-CAS?

[Pat Riot, SASS #13748 10,342]

SASS-ti-cool...NOT!

 

Talkin' about the Cargo pants

Edited December 5, 2016 by Pat Riot, SASS #13748

[Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L 1,318]

I found some carpenter pants that are made of same material as the pants my uncle gave me in RVN only color is 'natural'

 

Took the belt loops off and wear with suspenders.

 

Great in Texas heat and humidity

 

cr

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop".

But that has NOT been verified.

[C0ckr0ach, SASS #26100 63]

without the hammer loop, pants seem to be just rust colored jeans ?

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

without the hammer loop, pants seem to be just rust colored jeans ?

Pretty much...that's one of the reasons why they are OK.

 

The cargo/BDUs are NOT.

[Kid Rich 176]

I'm guessing some colors are legal and some not. kR

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

I'm guessing some colors are legal and some not. kR

Color did not enter into the discussion.

Which ones would not be legal?

[Major Crimes 1,577]

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Which ones would not be legal?

Pink with purple colored spots?

 

Unless of course your alias is an 1870's clown

Edited December 5, 2016 by Major Crimes

[McCandless 1,136]

Please wear Pants!!

[Lone Dog, SASS #20401 29]

I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop".

But that has NOT been verified.

 

it's a tomahawk loop

[Kid Rich 176]

Camo. kR

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

Camo. kR

That is covered in the RO3 manual.

 

...also in the SHB p.3

Edited December 5, 2016 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L

[Ace_of_Hearts 619]

I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop".

But that has NOT been verified.

Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot.

I did not press the discussion as to why.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Ace_of_Hearts

[Colorado Coffinmaker 1,929]

If it don't have a loop onna pants leg, where ya gonna hang yer beer cozy??

[Capt. George Baylor SASS#24287L 4]

Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?"

Well, I found them useful in Vietnam.

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot.

I did not press the discussion as to why.

That is an opinion that has not been confirmed.

Since this most recent ROC clarification states that Carpenter pants and overalls are LEGAL (without any modifications) there is no requirement to remove the "tomahawk" loop.

[Ramblin Gambler 662]

Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern.

[Rancho Roy 174]

The carpenter pants with the "folding ruler" pocket on the right leg-rear is perfect to put your loading strip! Remove hammer loop and belt loops. Add suspender buttons.......Good to go and looking sharp!

 

I just bought a few pair at WalMart for $18 a pair....Heavy canvas in Light Brown, Dark Brown and Tan..........

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern.

REF: post #1 re: "History..."

[Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 904]

Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern.

I've worn them before, I figured it was my best chance to be the overall champion

 

Randy

[Silver Sam, SASS #34718L 257]

Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot.

I did not press the discussion as to why.

Well if the dude is carrying a Tomahawk in that loop.... Tex can tell him its Illegal, Cuz I sure Aint

[Chicken Scratch 31]

Do these pants make my butt look Big?

 

Chicken Scratch

[PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 3,037]

Do these pants make my butt look Big?

 

Chicken Scratch

It ain't the pants!

[Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 30]

Mine is the opposite problem so its baggy. I cannot see well enough to sew on buttons so going b western with a silver belt buckle.

[Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 6]

I was under the assumption that pants were supposed to have a button fly, but after examining these have found that they have zipper fly. What would I do, remove the zipper and shoot with a gap, or bring back the safety pin. Should we consider opening a new class for zipper fly shooters?

[Tracker Jack Daniels,58780 185]

Where in the rules does it state pants need to have button flies? What book, what page? We don't need another category to accomodate a phantom rule.

[Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 6]

Where in the rules does it state pants need to have button flies? What book, what page? We don't need another category to accomodate a phantom rule.

To be Period Correct. All the True West seem to have button fly. Why does Levi have 501?

Edited December 24, 2016 by Fargo Bill, SASS #4942

[Noz 1,151]

I can see it now!

 

Visualize the MD asking for fly inspection volunteers to go into the crowd and check everyone's crotch.

[Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 6]

I can see it now!

 

Visualize the MD asking for fly inspection volunteers to go into the crowd and check everyone's crotch.

 

That could be added to SPOTTER'S responsibilities. Shouldn't slow the Shoot down as this could also be done at the loading table, much like looking at guns to make sure they are properly loaded. Just a quick glance would suffice.