Hoss Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Was reloading 38SP last night. My usual practice is to grab a handful of cases, and shake them, listening for a "tinny" sound that indicates a split case. I heard one, so looked at the nickel cases first, found one. discarded it, then went to drop the handful in my Lee case collator. As I was dropping them, heard another split case, looked, and sure enough, another split nickel case! What are the chances of getting 2 split cases in one handful out of a box of 2000 or so! Moral of the story, check your cases! I have about 4000 38SW cases, about 10% are nickel. slowly weeding them out, as they are by far more likely to split. I only use them in my revolvers for that reason. BTW, the shake method also helps me cull out the occasional 357 or 32 case that might get mixed in with my 38SP brass. they just sound different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totes Magoats Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Same here Hoss. I have seen a ton of split nickle cases from our club matches recently. Never fails, I shoot 20 new Starline brass cases in a stage, I get back 8 split nickle case at the unloading table. HA! Totes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'm impressed with your hearing. Wish my sense of hearing were that sensitive. I segregate nickel and brass cases, and load the few hundred nickel ones with 158 grain slugs for knockdowns (yep, still see them here). The brass cases get the 125 grain bullets. Makes it easy to identify the heavy ones at the loading table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I just cull all nickel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Whiskers Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I have to admit I've probably been reloading for less years than a lot of you have, about 9 years or so. I can look in my spent primer and split case jars (when they get full I recycle them) and about 80% is brass, not nickel. I check all of them as I reload and a few may sneak by, but I usually catch all of them when reloading or at the loading table. I'd hazard a guess that my brass is pretty close to the same amount of nickel and brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 My nickle cases are culling themselves by splitting. They are used in wheel guns only (cause that's how I was taught) Like Charlie above, have a bad brass box for these--and recycle when full. Another thing about nickle cases are the nickle coating makes the primer pockets a tiny bit smaller. I find a shot of case lube on all the primer pockets before starting does a great job of solving this. cr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 nickle plating makes the primer pockets a tiny bit smaller. I find a shot of case lube on all the primer pockets before starting does a great job of solving this. It may solve seating the primer, but it might also cause dead primers. I follow most loading manual instructions, and keep oils and lubes AWAY from primers. Better to use a pocket reamer and re-dimension the primer pocket to the correct diameter if it is a tight fit. But then, I've NEVER had to fiddle with nickle plated brass to get a primer to seat well. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Same here Hoss. I have seen a ton of split nickle cases from our club matches recently. Never fails, I shoot 20 new Starline brass cases in a stage, I get back 8 split nickle case at the unloading table. HA! Totes Why do you think I always pick up brass when you or Ginger are shooting? I know you use Starline brass....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripsaw Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 After two reloads, I just toss the nickel cases. About half split on the third attempt to reload, and it just interrupts my rhythm at the press. Just received 4000 more once fired cases, about 5% nickel. I'll load them once probably, then toss them. I really like the idea of some heavy bullets in the nickel cases for knockdowns, though my regular 125g bullet loads have taken down most knockdowns I've encountered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Out of the goodness of my heart I give nickel cases to anyone shooting in my category that wants them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I never knew they rattled, tinged, or 'tinny'd. But then again, I can even hear water running when I'm in the shower..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Plus One to Pettifogger How could I ever deny a fellow Gunfighter the opportunity to show max Bling?? I always announce "FREEBEES" and make gifts of Nickel'd cases. Just kindness, you see Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I never knew they rattled, tinged, or 'tinny'd. But then again, I can even hear water running when I'm in the shower..... ..........Widder You run water in your shower??!!! :D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Nope but he walks on the wet Shower Base ..... Splish Splash!!! Ya might think he's taking a Bath.... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 I never knew they rattled, tinged, or 'tinny'd. But then again, I can even hear water running when I'm in the shower..... ..........Widder Grab a handful and shake them. Then put in a known split case. Makes a different sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 You are right about nickel plated cases tending to split after several reloadings. However, no one has mentioned that the up side is that nickel plated cases do not end up covered in green ambergris while carried in belt loops for some period of time. I have carried the nickel cases in my gun belt for over a year with no corrosion or ambergris. Brass cases will turn green in as little as a week! [Please do not ask why I carry them in the belt loops for so long. It is simply for style points.] Warhorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 You are right about nickel plated cases tending to split after several reloadings. However, no one has mentioned that the up side is that nickel plated cases do not end up covered in green ambergris while carried in belt loops for some period of time. I have carried the nickel cases in my gun belt for over a year with no corrosion or ambergris. Brass cases will turn green in as little as a week! [Please do not ask why I carry them in the belt loops for so long. It is simply for style points.] Warhorse Warhorse: I think the term you were looking for is "verdigris" - the greenish corrosion that appears on brass or copper when exposed to air or certain oils. "Ambergris" is a waxy substance that comes from the intestines of sperm whales, and was treasured by perfume makers. Nope; not the "Word Police".......just offering clarity. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I do not buy nickle cases to reload but I do get them with store bought ammo on occasion. When I reload I save the nickle ones for non-SASS loads and I usually only reload them a couple of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 the only two that have failed to eject from my Marlin were brass, on split normally and the other around the knurl,,, can't complain about the first one tho,,, that put me as the number 18 shooter at GOA, and shooter 18 won a dillon 650, ME!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I have four reloading blocks. I place 50 pieces of brass in each and then inspect them under a bright light for splits/cracks before running through the press. I don't have a case feeder so it's not like it takes me any longer. Then I spray each set with a shot of Hornady One-Shot, wait a few minutes, then reload. I don't intentionally load any nickel cases, but if one manages to get in the loading block I do load it and use it in a revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throckmorton,23149 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 "nickle plating makes the primer pockets a tiny bit smaller. I find a shot of case lube on all the primer pockets before starting does a great job of solving this." I"ve never noticed primers seating harder,but nickel does size harder, so a thin smear of case lube on my fingers,and problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 This method works with .45 Colt also. I can also hear a rogue .38-40 case in a handful of .45 Colts. The thin case walls have a higher pitch. My wife thinks that I am nuts when I am shaking handfuls of brass after coming in from the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Fastenating! I buy nickel plated Starline 38 spec. by the thousand and load them at least 10 times before getting split cases. The ammo is run through multiple rifles and revolvers without problems. I just look the cases over before loading and again while boxing finished rounds. I do not load cases, brass or nickel that have mid lingth radial crimps. I loose more cases in the grass than to splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Grab a handful and shake them. Then put in a known split case. Makes a different sound.I guess I'm like Widder I've been told this but I can't hear the difference Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 You run water in your shower??!!! :D:D We actually have running water here in TN. Come visit and give it a try sometime. You might like it..... Nope but he walks on the wet Shower Base ..... Splish Splash!!! Ya might think he's taking a Bath.... Jabez Cowboy Walter & Leroy occupy the bathtub. I 'shower'..... Grab a handful and shake them. Then put in a known split case. Makes a different sound. Actually Hoss, I understand what you're saying. Problem is, I am legally deaf.....military related issue. I use some VERY LOUD phones to talk on the phones, plus wear hearing aids in both ears. The volume is set so loud that when I wear my Cowboy hat, I get feedback on them. I've started wearing one of the hearing aids, set at a lower hearing level, during my SASS matches in order to hear the timer 'BEEP'. And in reality, without my hearing aids, I can't hear the water running when I'm in the shower. I hear no birds singing, Crows 'cawing' or crickets chirping without my aids. And, I can't hear emergency vehicle sirens unless I have my aids in my ears. And then its still hard for me to discern their sounds until they are right by me. I have become an excellent lip reader during the past 30+ years. Thank goodness for the internet communication. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Disorderly Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 this past week i've come across 2 split cases - my first that I split..the 'once fired' cases are no longer that. I've not been checking - only seen 1 in 3 years..but now I guess it's time to be much more rigourous on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal sackett Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 The rattle works. My wife is very good at finding split cases. I only load nickel (38) cases for pistol practice and they are the only cases I load with smokeless. The nickel serves double duty: IDs smokeless and culls the case accumulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Gosh I sure am learning a lot... I guess I need to get rid of about 1,000 38spl nickel cases that are from back when they used large primers, 1950s?... Some have been reloaded so many times the nickel is wearing off... Maybe they just made better brass back then... or knew some secret nickeling process that didn't make 'em brittle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted November 20, 2016 Author Share Posted November 20, 2016 We actually have running water here in TN. Come visit and give it a try sometime. You might like it..... Walter & Leroy occupy the bathtub. I 'shower'..... Actually Hoss, I understand what you're saying. Problem is, I am legally deaf.....military related issue. I use some VERY LOUD phones to talk on the phones, plus wear hearing aids in both ears. The volume is set so loud that when I wear my Cowboy hat, I get feedback on them. I've started wearing one of the hearing aids, set at a lower hearing level, during my SASS matches in order to hear the timer 'BEEP'. And in reality, without my hearing aids, I can't hear the water running when I'm in the shower. I hear no birds singing, Crows 'cawing' or crickets chirping without my aids. And, I can't hear emergency vehicle sirens unless I have my aids in my ears. And then its still hard for me to discern their sounds until they are right by me. I have become an excellent lip reader during the past 30+ years. Thank goodness for the internet communication. ..........Widder Widder, sorry for your hearing loss. And THANK YOU for your service! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Driftwood Johnson explained that if the nickle platting process is done properly, the cases will last very well. I see cases where the nickle has worn off and the case still holds. But if the process is not perfect, it will make the case more brittle and subject to work hardening. Thus more likely to split. That is why many of us will not use nickle in our rifles. Don't matter much if it splits in my revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 We actually have running water here in TN. Come visit and give it a try sometime. You might like it..... Walter & Leroy occupy the bathtub. I 'shower'..... Actually Hoss, I understand what you're saying. Problem is, I am legally deaf.....military related issue. I use some VERY LOUD phones to talk on the phones, plus wear hearing aids in both ears. The volume is set so loud that when I wear my Cowboy hat, I get feedback on them. I've started wearing one of the hearing aids, set at a lower hearing level, during my SASS matches in order to hear the timer 'BEEP'. And in reality, without my hearing aids, I can't hear the water running when I'm in the shower. I hear no birds singing, Crows 'cawing' or crickets chirping without my aids. And, I can't hear emergency vehicle sirens unless I have my aids in my ears. And then its still hard for me to discern their sounds until they are right by me. I have become an excellent lip reader during the past 30+ years. Thank goodness for the internet communication. ..........Widder Widder, when I got my latest version of hearing aids from the VA I was astounded to discover that hummingbirds chirp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted November 20, 2016 Share Posted November 20, 2016 Widder, when I got my latest version of hearing aids from the VA I was astounded to discover that hummingbirds chirp. My wife said they do but I never believed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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