California AB-1511

[Bad Hand]

This bill, signed into law by the Governor basically prohibits the transfer of any firearm to anyone, including family members without a background check. How will this effect SASS in California? How will you be able to loan a firearm to another competitor whose firearm breaks during a match? How about providing firearms to our younger shooters (under 21 pistol, under 18 for long guns)? How about estates that want their heirs to have their firearms? Who will do the "background check"? I can't seem to find the complete bill to see if any of these questions are answered.

[Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438]

This bill, signed into law by the Governor basically prohibits the transfer of any firearm to anyone, including family members without a background check. How will this effect SASS in California? How will you be able to loan a firearm to another competitor whose firearm breaks during a match? How about providing firearms to our younger shooters (under 21 pistol, under 18 for long guns)? How about estates that want their heirs to have their firearms? Who will do the "background check"? I can't seem to find the complete bill to see if any of these questions are answered.

 

We already have a similar requirement. For non-FFL transactions, both parties must go online and report the transfer on a State website. Painless. And no reason that I am aware of that an executor of an estate could not use the same procedure to transfer to an heir. (Although there may be a limit on the number of guns any one seller can transfer within a certain time frame; you may end up needing to go through an FFL if you are passing a large collection to heirs.) See, http://www.mass.gov/eopss/firearms-reg-and-laws/frb/firearms-transactions.html

 

 

As for loaning a gun to another shooter at a shoot - that's not a "transfer" under our law. A "transfer" is a sale or gift - a change in ownership.

 

LL

[Tascosa, SASS# 24838]

Wow I already feel safer from terrorists!

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

We already have a similar requirement. For non-FFL transactions, both parties must go online and report the transfer on a State website. Painless. And no reason that I am aware of that an executor of an estate could not use the same procedure to transfer to an heir. (Although there may be a limit on the number of guns any one seller can transfer within a certain time frame; you may end up needing to go through an FFL if you are passing a large collection to heirs.) See, http://www.mass.gov/eopss/firearms-reg-and-laws/frb/firearms-transactions.html

 

 

As for loaning a gun to another shooter at a shoot - that's not a "transfer" under our law. A "transfer" is a sale or gift - a change in ownership.

 

LL

 

 

Here is the text:

 

Assembly Bill No. 1511 CHAPTER 41

An act to amend Section 27880 of the Penal Code, relating to firearms.

[ Approved by Governor July 01, 2016. Filed with Secretary of State July 01, 2016. ]

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

AB 1511, Santiago. Firearms: lending.

Existing law generally requires the loan of a firearm to be conducted through a licensed firearms dealer. A violation of this provision is a crime. Existing law exempts from this requirement a loan of a firearm between persons who are personally known to each other, if the loan is infrequent and does not exceed 30 days in duration.

This bill would instead limit that exemption to the loan of a firearm to a spouse or registered domestic partner, or to a parent, child, sibling, grandparent, or grandchild, related as specified. The bill would require a handgun loaned pursuant to these provisions to be registered to the person loaning the handgun. By expanding the application of an existing crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program.

The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement.

This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason.

DIGEST KEYVote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: yes Local Program: yes

BILL TEXT

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 27880 of the Penal Code is amended to read:

27880. Section 27545 does not apply to the loan of a firearm if all of the following requirements are satisfied:

(a) The loan is to a spouse, registered domestic partner, or any of the following relations, whether by consanguinity, adoption, or steprelation:

(1) Parent.

(2) Child.

(3) Sibling.

(4) Grandparent.

(5) Grandchild.

( The loan is infrequent, as defined in Section 16730.

© The loan is for any lawful purpose.

(d) The loan does not exceed 30 days in duration.

(e) Until January 1, 2015, if the firearm is a handgun, the individual being loaned the firearm shall have a valid handgun safety certificate. Commencing January 1, 2015, for any firearm, the individual being loaned the firearm shall have a valid firearm safety certificate, except that in the case of a handgun, an unexpired handgun safety certificate may be used.

(f) If the firearm being loaned is a handgun, the handgun is registered to the person making the loan pursuant to Section 11106.

SEC. 2. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution.

 

 

It seems that with this signed into law we now have the situation where loaning a gun to another shooter at a match, however briefly, is a transfer that requires a background check. I would make the assumption that, since CA requires a 10 day wait on all transfers, that there would also be a 10 day wait. Plus DROS fee. Then you need to reverse the process to get your firearm back.

[Del Rio Pete]

Funny how we sheep just submit to laws we didn't approve of or vote for.

Those Colonists that stood up against the King of England were some brave dudes, weren't they?

[Bugler]

This crap is why I am SOOOO Glad I live in Montana!

 

Bugler

 

PS. Bullet button? Who came up with that term? IDIOT.....

[Yul Lose]

This crap is why I am SOOOO Glad I live in Montana!

 

Bugler

 

PS. Bullet button? Who came up with that term? IDIOT.....

One of the sponsors of that bill is an ex police officer and he actually has said that when you push the bullet button an an AR type rifle it makes it fully automatic.

[Blackwater 53393]

One of the sponsors of that bill is an ex police officer and he actually has said that when you push the bullet button an an AR type rifle it makes it fully automatic.

 

 

Most likely some pencil pushing desk jockey who was appointed to the position by some liberal anti-gun rights politician!!

[SlicLee SASS #16638 Life]

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