Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Intersting that the top ten overall shooters at EOT were all SxS shooters. I don't that has happened before, should be noted there were no split shotgun stages and all were 4+ round counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I think it's because they are reliable, no matter what speed you run them. I saw numerous '97 shooters with jams, failed ejections, etc. Of course, none of that matters if you can't get the shells into the pipes, which is my problem. I think my new plan is to grab two, toss them on the ground, then grab two more. If I practice that, I will be faster than I was at EOT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I agree that its probably because of the reliability 'reputation'. But I know this, because I have seen YOU and some others run the 97, that your speed with one style over the other is basically the same. And I've heard that Mo Lefty is also super fast with a 97, but he prefers the SxS. Congrats on your top 10 Overall Deuce. Keep em smoking. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Stoney 49735 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 A few years back I would have readily agreed with the argument that to shoot a 97 you had to own three, one to shoot, one for backup and one getting fixed. With the cowboy action 97s being produced per Caps design in China I don't think that is the case any more. I have run mine hard for more than a year with no ill effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Gun Cole Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 My 700,000 serial # solidframe is still running like a boss, Started using it in 2003, Been fixed a few times 3GC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 The 97 is too complicated for me!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 One the SxS is mastered, it is very hard for a 97 shooter to keep up. It wasn't always this way, but folks have obviously figured it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorelei Longshot, SASS #44256 Life Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I love both my Cap 97 and my Stoeger SxS. Have to use the Stoeger when shooting ladies frontier cartridge. But is sure is fun at a local club to be able to stoke up the 97 when shooting snakes out of the sand pit. I don't think it was one of the very first Cap imported, but I've shot it for years now with only a minor problem that Nate Kiowa Jones fixed in less than 15 minutes about 8 or so years ago. I LOVE my shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Montana, SASS #23907 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I don't buy into the mechanical problems being the reason there weren't any in the top 10. I'd say #1 it's WHO is shooting which gun and #2 the overall number of doubles versus the number of '97's. I've ran take downs and solid frames for 17 years. ONly had one break and I pulled it apart after beating it on a table! My most recent main match solid frame has been in use for over 8 years and been cleaned a half a dozen times and amazes me how it keeps running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Me I prefer the 87 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I like all of the shotguns. But if I remember right Sass Kicker had a problem with her double in the shoot offs. Do not know what that problem was. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolan Kraps, SASS # 24084 Life Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The 97 is too complicated for me!!!! I look like a Hog on Ice with a '97. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolan Kraps, SASS # 24084 Life Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Me I prefer the 87 Me too. I don't shoot it as fast, but I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Avenger Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Here is Deuce Stevens Speed sxs video if I Remember correctly his time was 3.12 https://youtu.be/k1rZZKgoYCU Billy The Avenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 One the SxS is mastered, it is very hard for a 97 shooter to keep up. It wasn't always this way, but folks have obviously figured it out. Actually, IME, it has always been so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Over the long haul, SXS's having fewer part tend to be more reliable than the 97's new or old. Besides the reliability of the SXS I think a contributing factors is how the guns are staged now days. Most all clubs now have horizontal muzzle pointed down range staging. Years ago many clubs had vertical racks. Vertical staging always gave the advantage to the 97 because it could be loaded as it was coming for vertical to pointed down range. The SXS had to be taken from a muzzle up to an almost muzzle down then back up once loaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Toe Joe #25190 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Okay, admit it, y'all fast than is humanly possible folks wish y'all could shoot a '97 as slow as me. Come on, admit it now....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Eyed Drifter Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Would be Interesting to Know what the Breakdown was SKB vs. Stoger vs. ??? in the Top Ten. and Who Slicked Them? If I remember correctly at least 3 of them are SKB's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Any hammer guns in top 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Fe River Stan,36999L Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think Stage Design and Target Placement has more to do with the Double being popular.....I watched videos of all 12 stages at EOT and it appears to me (i could be wrong...remember I just watching a video) that on EVERY stage the shotgun targets where in pairs and just a couple of feet a part. Only a fool would argue with choosing a double based on that design. Stan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rippin kid Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Would be Interesting to Know what the Breakdown was SKB vs. Stoger vs. ??? in the Top Ten. and Who Slicked Them? If I remember correctly at least 3 of them are SKB's Maybe they shoot a BSSs not a SKB or Stoger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I wonder how many of those doubles were single trigger vs double, and if single, inertia vs mechanical? myowndangself,, I prefer a double trigger SxS. I have a 97 and an 87. just prefer the SxS. I will admit the 87 is good for "style points" and if all goes well I can load 2 as fast as I can the SxS, but it takes longer to shoot 2, and, if you have a problem, takes a lot longer to fix it. I do drag it out once a year or so just for the fun of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think Stage Design and Target Placement has more to do with the Double being popular.....I watched videos of all 12 stages at EOT and it appears to me (i could be wrong...remember I just watching a video) that on EVERY stage the shotgun targets where in pairs and just a couple of feet a part. Only a fool would argue with choosing a double based on that design. Stan Good point, Stan. Stages are now generally set up specifically for SxS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Do not know about EOT, but one data point, the last 2 WRs, I shot, over half our posse was shooting SKBs. Rest varied all over the place, Stoegers, 87s, 97s, hammered doubles, etc. At the unloading table I made an effort to count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastmaster Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think Stage Design and Target Placement has more to do with the Double being popular.....I watched videos of all 12 stages at EOT and it appears to me (i could be wrong...remember I just watching a video) that on EVERY stage the shotgun targets where in pairs and just a couple of feet a part. Only a fool would argue with choosing a double based on that design. Stan Agree, I haven't watched the video but I would guess that the SG's were staged horizontally on a flat table/prop and even number of targets. Majority of SG targets could be shot from far right side of bay. Just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Coroner Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Here is Deuce Stevens Speed sxs video if I Remember correctly his time was 3.12 https://youtu.be/k1rZZKgoYCU Billy The Avenger Man, that is FAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 i wonder if its because you two at time in SxS and one at time in the 97. Granted you can have 4 in your hand with the 97 to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 I think Stage Design and Target Placement has more to do with the Double being popular.....I watched videos of all 12 stages at EOT and it appears to me (i could be wrong...remember I just watching a video) that on EVERY stage the shotgun targets where in pairs and just a couple of feet a part. Only a fool would argue with choosing a double based on that design. Stan EOT...Yes, all in pairs, I believe 3 stages on right, 1 on left, 1 stage of four in center, 5 stages split, 2 stages option left or right sets of four.....three stages with six knockdowns. Numerous stages had options of which gun (pistols/shotgun where/when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 On posse 36 I worked the unloading table as I usually do. I would say I was the only 87 shooter the rest of the classic shooters used a hammered double. The rest of the posse I would say was 2 sxss per 97 and we had several shooters using the same guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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