Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 I noticed that around the early 1990's the movies started using 73's, 66's. the clothing was more authentic, less buscadero type holsters etc. (Tombstone, Quigley, Wyatt Earp to name a few) Since the WB started SASS around 1984 do you think Hollywood got the hint? I wonder if SASS has more to do with influencing the movies than we think. What are yer thoughts? Rye
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Well, Costner wore a buscadero outfit in Wyatt Earp. The others you cite, as well as more recent films like Appaloosa, seem to have made a real effort to get the details right. But I don't know that you can single SASS out as a motivating factor...more likely that writers, directors and/or armorers are insisting on authenticity. My sense is that expediency and expense still play a part. LL
River Jordan, SASS 18742 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 we will know for sure if your theory is correct when the shootouts include 10 pistol, 10 rifle, and 4+ shotgun..... River
Tom Bullweed Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Cart and horse.... Companies like Uberti, ASM and importers made 1866s, 1873s and period correct revolvers more available for movies, TV and SASS. I think it was more of a perfect storm powered by a generation or two who grew up on westerns finally having enough free time and money to grow the sport.
Chickahominy Charlie Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 we will know for sure if your theory is correct when the shootouts include 10 pistol, 10 rifle, and 4+ shotgun..... River Now that's funny right there.....I doan care who ya are...... Chick
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Posted January 30, 2016 Well, Costner wore a buscadero outfit in Wyatt Earp. The others you cite, as well as more recent films like Appaloosa, seem to have made a real effort to get the details right. But I don't know that you can single SASS out as a motivating factor...more likely that writers, directors and/or armorers are insisting on authenticity. My sense is that expediency and expense still play a part. LL I know Costner wore a buscadero but he was the only one in that movie that did. My point is you see almost no 92's anymore and the clothing is so much more historically correct. You also see more and more guns like the Merwin Hubert, Schofield, 76's, etc. It really coincides with the time period that SASS had a huge growth spurt. Suddenly the movies were reflecting what we were already doing in cas. My point is, hmmm………….
El Hombre Sin Nombre Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 I'll tell you one thing I've notice after watching some really bad Amazon instant westerns lately is that the extras all look like they came straight out of a sass match. The age, body type, clothing, and if there's an occasional line the acting just screams sass
Nickel City Dude Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 we will know for sure if your theory is correct when the shootouts include 10 pistol, 10 rifle, and 4+ shotgun..... River Now that is good!!
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 I'd like to think so.... but I also think SASS is responsible for the lower gas prices and higher speed limits on some highways.
Russ T. Sites Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Cart and horse.... Companies like Uberti, ASM and importers made 1866s, 1873s and period correct revolvers more available for movies, TV and SASS. I think it was more of a perfect storm powered by a generation or two who grew up on westerns finally having enough free time and money to grow the sport. I think your right , with all the companies making clothes, hats, leather and guns for sass it gives the prop and clothing depts for tv and the movies a fast ,cost effective and authentic way of getting what they need not to mention the extras
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Posted January 30, 2016 I think your right , with all the companies making clothes, hats, leather and guns for sass it gives the prop and clothing depts for tv and the movies a fast ,cost effective and authentic way of getting what they need not to mention the extras Yep, my point exactly!
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 I've read that director John Milius and actor Tom Selleck insisted on period correct firearms in their films. If so, I suspect they would have had more influence than SASS.
Nickel City Dude Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Maybe SASS had an influence on director John Milius and actor Tom Selleck and that is why they wanted the correct guns.
Josey Kidd Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 I believe it has more to do with people like Peter Sherayko, who have researched and studied the old west, and whose company is an outfitter to the movie companies who want a realistic look. BTW, he also played Texas Jack Vermillion in Tombstone. JK
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Posted January 30, 2016 I believe it has more to do with people like Peter Sherayko, who have researched and studied the old west, and whose company is an outfitter to the movie companies who want a realistic look. BTW, he also played Texas Jack Vermillion in Tombstone. JK Isn't he or wasn't he a cowboy shooter??
Blastmaster Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 It would not be that hard for some movie prop assistant that is totally unfamiliar with western wear, ammo, wagons, horses, tools, firearms, etc for a certain time frame (1880's), to do a Google search , and within short order, would know which guns, ammo, saddles, holsters, boots, whatever is needed for that time frame and story plot. Second easy Google search would tell the studio where to purchase replica or real 1873's, 1866's, Colt pistols, leather and so on. Perhaps in the Google search, the assistance may run across SASS web page. With the millions of dollars budget for the movie, a few thousand dollars spend for guns and gear for the movie would be nothing. All work could be done without leaving Time Square in NYC.
Grizzly Dave Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 There are companies that do nothing but provide hollywood with guns and expertise, hollywood rents, they don't buy.
Blastmaster Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 b There are companies that do nothing but provide hollywood with guns and expertise, hollywood rents, they don't buy. Buy, rent, lease, just an economic decision for the movie business. Could be more econmical to purchase items, then trash them when project is over. As is typical, a combination of purchase, rent.
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Posted January 31, 2016 There are companies that do nothing but provide hollywood with guns and expertise, hollywood rents, they don't buy. Yes and those companies were around for all the "B" movies that had all the wrong guns, so back to my point…SASS had a major influence on movies and their directors , and consultants.
Noz Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 I'd like to think so.... but I also think SASS is responsible for the lower gas prices and higher speed limits on some highways. I noticed yesterday coming home from a match that my Ford V-10 got much better gas mileage.
Mack Hacker, #60477 Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 I noticed yesterday coming home from a match that my Ford V-10 got much better gas mileage. Better than what, Noz? Mine always got slightly better than the space shuttle during lift-off..
Blastmaster Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Better than what, Noz? Mine always got slightly better than the space shuttle during lift-off.. the space shuttle will pass more gas stations that the V-10
Blackey Cole Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 I expect it has to do with clones and clothing made for sass being made available for the movie companies and outfitters. Before sass caught on everything was custum made and most oat burners didn't have the budget.
Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674 Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 It wouldn't just be SASS, during the 90's there was a big increase 19th Century reenacting.
Bad Jeemes Kelly Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 I noticed that around the early 1990's the movies started using 73's, 66's. the clothing was more authentic, less buscadero type holsters etc. (Tombstone, Quigley, Wyatt Earp to name a few) Since the WB started SASS around 1984 do you think Hollywood got the hint? I wonder if SASS has more to do with influencing the movies than we think. What are yer thoughts? Rye I think you're right. Wah Maker seems to be Hollywood's costume dealer these days and Uberti is their armorer. There seem to be a lot more realistic costumes and leather and a much wider variety of guns, these days. It's hard to find a movie without somebody packing a S&W top-break copy any more. I think it's the SASS/CAS demand that made all of that stuff readily available and showed them how much better it could look than what they were using in the old days.
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 In a hundred years, they'll be people re-enacting cowboy action shooting.
Noz Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Better than what, Noz? Mine always got slightly better than the space shuttle during lift-off.. Better than a D-10 Cat.
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