The Polish Pistolero Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 In the new quarterly Cowboy Chronical for January 2016, there's an article about a full length firing pin modification for a Uberti '73 or '66 rifle! My concern is since the bolt, and extension be sent it for modification! IF, you need to replace the firing pin in the future, is it fitted to the bolt/extension? Do you send in your parts again just for another pin? One more thing! If the designer to the modification goes belly up, or something similar, what do you do for parts now? I recon contact VTI for a new bolt, extension, pin, toggle link connector, and put it back to factory! Otherwise, I will just wait and see how this modification actually works out! The idea is sound, but not being mainstream, I'm skeptical! Has anyone actually used this modification to testify to it being the best thing since sliced bread!
Creek County Kid Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 just curious are you talking about the one piece modification that is in the chronicle ?
Billy the Avenger Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Yes he is What do you Thank of your Creek county kid
Slick McClade Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I'm one of the folks who haven't received my chronicle yet so I'm not sure who's firing pin you speak of. Now with that being said I've had one installed in my 73 for about a year. The conversions work flawlessly which brings me to the next little item which is the super light hammer spring. We designed a drop in super light hammer spring that's made for the firing pin conversion kits. I can tell you makes all the difference in the world !!!!! And yes it can be found on my website 😉
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 In the new quarterly Cowboy Chronical for January 2016, there's an article about a full length firing pin modification for a Uberti '73 or '66 rifle! My concern is since the bolt, and extension be sent it for modification! IF, you need to replace the firing pin in the future, is it fitted to the bolt/extension? Do you send in your parts again just for another pin? One more thing! If the designer to the modification goes belly up, or something similar, what do you do for parts now? I recon contact VTI for a new bolt, extension, pin, toggle link connector, and put it back to factory! Otherwise, I will just wait and see how this modification actually works out! The idea is sound, but not being mainstream, I'm skeptical! Has anyone actually used this modification to testify to it being the best thing since sliced bread! Why, That is exactly how the original was done.
Snakebite Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Haven't seen the article yet, but it sounds like the original 73s, which had a One piece. Snakebite
The Polish Pistolero Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 Why, That is exactly how the original was done. Nate, if you were the one that just came up with the idea, and hadn't even made one I would trust your part! But, not to diminish what was in the chronical! This isn't 1860 with not very many people able to do for them selves. My concern is getting a replacement part down the road without paying through the nose to have a gunsmith that can make a part without even seeing a blue print on the specs. Only having pieces to work from, and hoping they got it correct! The original, back in 1860, '66, or '73, I doubt replacement parts were at hand in Waco Tanks, TX., or Timbucktoo, TN. So gunsmiths of the day at least would have another gun (maybe) to disassemble, and remove a part that needed to be copied. My thought anyway! I hope it's the cats meow, and they become the standard for "slick ups" on Winchester clones of the style I'm discussing! But, till I hear how the durability is I'll wait! Either that, or I'll buy a new bolt, and extension and have it done up to try!
The Polish Pistolero Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 I'm one of the folks who haven't received my chronicle yet so I'm not sure who's firing pin you speak of. Now with that being said I've had one installed in my 73 for about a year. The conversions work flawlessly which brings me to the next little item which is the super light hammer spring. We designed a drop in super light hammer spring that's made for the firing pin conversion kits. I can tell you makes all the difference in the world !!!!! And yes it can be found on my website And your website would be.....? I looked at slickmagicguns dot com, and only found the super light main spring! The full length firing pin is for a Marlin.
Creek County Kid Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Ok Polish Pistolero Me and Snake Oil George are making those along with Roys Creek Dan and all three of us have been shooting with this mod in our rifles not having any troubles with them. We DO NOT need your extension all we NEED is your bolt and if you do not like the modification you will not have to buy a new bolt or extension. I have never had one of the firing pins break and if it does we replace the pin for free. The durability on these things is good I have had the same one in my rifle for the last year and a half with no problems what so ever. I am currently working on a website with all our products on there ! and oh by the way buy Slick's main spring for the one piece mod it makes it even a even better modification ! If you are interested in the modification you can look up us on facebook under the gun shop I will be posting a in depth look at the mod by the end of the day !
Slick McClade Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 If I'm not mistaken this mod can be taken out and everything put back to "normal". That is if you would ever want to do that. Snake oil George and CCK are good folk that's very capable of building or fixing just about anything . And I'll put my name and reputation on that !! Oh and I'll have them on my website also very soon 😜 Slick
Creek County Kid Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 and if you do not like the modification after installed take the mod parts out send them back for your money back and put your original parts back in for nothing but a try out on the one piece firing pin my ! you can contact me at (918)321-5128 or Facebook under The Gun Shop !
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 As I get older and grumpier I HATE answering what IF questions. And before anyone gets upset I am not "flameing" the OP. Simply addressing the issue. As my dear departed mother use to say "IF a frog had wings it wouldn't have such a sore butt." The OP's concern applies to every firearm accessory made for SASS type guns. Every single short stroke kit (rifle or pistol), Marlin one piece firing pin, rifle coil spring kit, etc., etc., etc., are subject to the big IF. Not to mention custom work. What are you going to do if a custom smith short stroked your pistol using the cut and weld method and dies or goes out of business? What about the popular mechanical triggers for SKBs? Each one of those is custom made and fitted. What about parts for discontinued firearms? Ever try to find parts for a Ruger Old Army? What IF an asteroid hits your house? This kit is about as bullet proof as anything I have ever installed. IF someone is that concerned about parts that MIGHT break, the only solution is not to shoot.
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I haven't gotten my Chronicle but here is one of the pictures that I put in the article. Top is an original Winchester firing pin. Middle the one that is the subject of this post. Bottom is the Uberti set up. Everywhere there is a cut or angle there is a chance for breakage. On the Uberti they frequently break where the firing pin goes from large diameter to small as there is a 90 degree angle there. On the middle firing pin it is one STRAIGHT piece of steel with a collar slid on it for the firing pin spring to press on. There is basically nothing to break and if something did happen any machine shop with drill rod or tool steel stock could easily cut a new one.
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Larsen, In the photo, in relationship to the Winchester Original and the Uberti Original.... Isn't the new one piece reversed ???? Or the spring on the wrong side of the collar??
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 No. The article has around 50 photos and two or three thousand words of text. To much to recant here. Everyone is going to have to wait until they get the Chronicle (I'm still waiting!!!) because the article explains in detail how the new system works. It is different than anything most shooters would imagine.
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Nate, if you were the one that just came up with the idea, and hadn't even made one I would trust your part! But, not to diminish what was in the chronical! This isn't 1860 with not very many people able to do for them selves. My concern is getting a replacement part down the road without paying through the nose to have a gunsmith that can make a part without even seeing a blue print on the specs. Only having pieces to work from, and hoping they got it correct! The original, back in 1860, '66, or '73, I doubt replacement parts were at hand in Waco Tanks, TX., or Timbucktoo, TN. So gunsmiths of the day at least would have another gun (maybe) to disassemble, and remove a part that needed to be copied. My thought anyway! I hope it's the cats meow, and they become the standard for "slick ups" on Winchester clones of the style I'm discussing! But, till I hear how the durability is I'll wait! Either that, or I'll buy a new bolt, and extension and have it done up to try! I have done this. Not like the one pictured, though. All I did was drill a hole in the extension and silver soldered a long firing pin in the hole. Now you have a one piece firing pin. As I get older and grumpier I HATE answering what IF questions. And before anyone gets upset I am not "flameing" the OP. Simply addressing the issue. As my dear departed mother use to say "IF a frog had wings it wouldn't have such a sore butt." The OP's concern applies to every firearm accessory made for SASS type guns. Every single short stroke kit (rifle or pistol), Marlin one piece firing pin, rifle coil spring kit, etc., etc., etc., are subject to the big IF. Not to mention custom work. What are you going to do if a custom smith short stroked your pistol using the cut and weld method and dies or goes out of business? What about the popular mechanical triggers for SKBs? Each one of those is custom made and fitted. What about parts for discontinued firearms? Ever try to find parts for a Ruger Old Army? What IF an asteroid hits your house? This kit is about as bullet proof as anything I have ever installed. IF someone is that concerned about parts that MIGHT break, the only solution is not to shoot. Good analogy. It pretty much applies to anything custom. In the car world it's called bolt on mods. It reminds me of the proliferation of spring kits. The main reason these guns come with excessively heavy spring is it saves the manufacturers man-hours as in $$$$. The makers don't have to hand fit poorly fitted parts because the know the heavy springs overcome the poor fit. Changing springs is what you do once the fit is verified. Spring kits are the reason federal primers are so popular.
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 No. The article has around 50 photos and two or three thousand words of text. To much to recant here. Everyone is going to have to wait until they get the Chronicle (I'm still waiting!!!) because the article explains in detail how the new system works. It is different than anything most shooters would imagine. Very Interesting, Now I'm anxious to see the Article. Maybe the mailman will deliver my CC today.............
Hurricane Deck 100366 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Very Interesting, Now I'm anxious to see the Article. Maybe the mailman will deliver my CC today............. Same here. I would really like to read this article. I hope my CC comes very soon!
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 and if you do not like the modification after installed take the mod parts out send them back for your money back and put your original parts back in for nothing but a try out on the one piece firing pin my ! you can contact me at (918)321-5128 or Facebook under The Gun Shop ! Can you please post a link to your Facebook page. There are several named The Gun Shop. Thanks.
The Polish Pistolero Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 As I get older and grumpier I HATE answering what IF questions. And before anyone gets upset I am not "flameing" the OP. Simply addressing the issue. As my dear departed mother use to say "IF a frog had wings it wouldn't have such a sore butt." The OP's concern applies to every firearm accessory made for SASS type guns. Every single short stroke kit (rifle or pistol), Marlin one piece firing pin, rifle coil spring kit, etc., etc., etc., are subject to the big IF. Not to mention custom work. What are you going to do if a custom smith short stroked your pistol using the cut and weld method and dies or goes out of business? What about the popular mechanical triggers for SKBs? Each one of those is custom made and fitted. What about parts for discontinued firearms? Ever try to find parts for a Ruger Old Army? What IF an asteroid hits your house? This kit is about as bullet proof as anything I have ever installed. IF someone is that concerned about parts that MIGHT break, the only solution is not to shoot. I have had that issue with finding a bolt for an ASM Walker! I know what you mean! As for "fear of something breaking" I'm not! I do my own gun work, and if something breaks I fix it. My concern (without knowing) was being able to return the rifle back to factory, if something went down! PS. I ain't goin' to quit shooting! I'm in it for the long run! Just looking for the better mousetrap!
The Polish Pistolero Posted December 31, 2015 Author Posted December 31, 2015 I haven't gotten my Chronicle but here is one of the pictures that I put in the article. Top is an original Winchester firing pin. Middle the one that is the subject of this post. Bottom is the Uberti set up. Everywhere there is a cut or angle there is a chance for breakage. On the Uberti they frequently break where the firing pin goes from large diameter to small as there is a 90 degree angle there. On the middle firing pin it is one STRAIGHT piece of steel with a collar slid on it for the firing pin spring to press on. There is basically nothing to break and if something did happen any machine shop with drill rod or tool steel stock could easily cut a new one. I like that explanation! Not knowing how it is built was my concern. I see how a part could be made if needed.
Hurricane Deck 100366 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Can you please post a link to your Facebook page. There are several named The Gun Shop. Thanks. Here you go. https://www.facebook.com/The-Gun-Shop-806778342705192/?ref=ts&fref=ts
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 and if you do not like the modification after installed take the mod parts out send them back for your money back and put your original parts back in for nothing but a try out on the one piece firing pin my ! you can contact me at (918)321-5128 or Facebook under The Gun Shop ! I looked up The Gun Shop on Facebook and their are multiple ones, could you add a link or more info? Thanks and Happy New Year. Randy Sorry I didn't read all the way to the last post.
Creek County Kid Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 on a side note the material that we make the modification out of is A2 tool steel and the actual firing pin is heat treated as well.
Lunger Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Thanks for answering my questions and taking my order yesterday CCK!
Creek County Kid Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 no problem at all lunger !! just to let everyone know I am currently working on the website and it will be up shortly with all of our other products on the site as well !!
Snakebite Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Looking forward to reading this article. I can't tell for sure from the photo's, but is the extension drilled and the new firing pin passed all the way through it? Snakebite
Creek County Kid Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 on this set up snake bite the extension becomes a bolt extension which is pinned to the bolt with a 3/32 roll pin and the firing pin goes through the extension and it the hammer strikes the firing pin instead of the extension and that's why you can run a lower main spring with this set up. It also allows for dry firing your rifle without fear of damaging the firing pin. I am going to post a video today on our facebook page and our youtube page will post a link on the wire so everyone can view about the pin with details on install and how the modification works inside the rifle. I am still working on the website should be up by the end of this next week !
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 ...the extension becomes a bolt extension which is pinned to the bolt with a 3/32 roll pin and the firing pin goes through the extension and it the hammer strikes the firing pin instead of the extension... Question: IF the firing pin protrudes from the back of the firing pin extension (to be struck directly by the hammer), is this modification in compliance with the following rule from the "Firearm Covenants" in the SHB?: FIRING PINS • The length of the firing pin may be extended. • The visible contour of the rear portion of firing pins or firing pin extensions may not be altered. • Friction reducing devices such as roller bearings are not allowed on the rear portion of firing pins or firing pin extensions. SHB p.8 IF not, was the requisite "Firearms Modification Consideration" submitted for approval of this modification? REF: SHB p.3
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 Dang I wish my CC would git here !!!!!!!!!!!
Creek County Kid Posted January 1, 2016 Posted January 1, 2016 PaleWolfe the contour on the rear of the bolt extension does not change from that of a stock extension this was presented to Hipshot to be approved but was told there was no need to be approved due to the fact it was a internal modification and it could not be seen while the firearm was at rest (action closed ) provided they do not affect the external operation or directly conflict with one of the modifications listed.
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