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Keystone, SASS # 47578

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Deploy the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch

And count thee to three

Three shall be the number to which thy shall count.

Not to two shall thy count. Unless thou proceedest immediately to three........

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I don't believe that there is a "one size fits all" answer. Every situation will be different. How close are you to the shooter? Can you get him and be sure you're not going to hit someone by accident? Can you get out, or are you trapped? It is, however, good that you are thinking about this and being aware of you're setting and "prepared" in case the unthinkable does happen. The wife and I when to a concert a couple weeks ago and the first thing I did was to find all the exits.

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Say you're in a public setting. You believe you hear a firearm being discharged and people are scattering in all directions. You're not a trained professional law enforcement officer but have a carry permit and are armed with a revolver but no reloads. What do you do?

 

Assume you are legal to carry at the venue and having more firepower would have been better but this is your situation.

 

Keystone

 

Most helpful answers were in the direction I suspected. Find cover, escape immediate area, exit or find a defensible position and only shot when absolutely necessary. We are not Rambo looking to take the threat head on like some anti-gun folks assume. Thanks for the constructive replies.

 

P.S. Widder and I had lunch on Monday and briefly discussed this issue.

 

You state or infer that there's something basically wrong with someone who charges toward death, either from the "bad guys" or the "good guys." I take exception to that. I believe that thinking panders to the politically correct disease infecting our country and the social re-engineering machine at work in our country right now. In fact you pretty much sound as if you agree that their model has some legitimacy, simply by your effort to disprove it. Your own model gives a very lightly armed citizen no tools to deal directly with an attack on fellow innocents by cowards. He had no choice except to fall back or die. You create a situation that essentially prevents effective action by an ineffectively armed citizen, thus automatically confirming your presupposed outcome of, "See? We're not crazy!" Well, we AREN'T crazy; the PC machine is crazy and is winning some people over.

 

My first reaction would be to fall back, try to get others to fall back, and call for help. However, there's nothing inherently wrong with a reasonably armed common sensed individual, attempting to mitigate a killing spree. Hell, there's nothing wrong with trying to stop a killing spree with a chair leg. To believe otherwise lends support to those who would prey on our 2nd Amendment rights. Police would do the same, even to shooting by mistake, an off-duty, out-of-uniform policeman. Another aspect is the reaction time of police, which often is very quick and just as often, upwards toward 30 minutes. An on-the-scene shooter with 5-6 rounds could save a lot of innocents, even if he suffers injury or death in the process. Did that person do the wrong thing? He (usually) was dealing with an unbalanced bad guy or a group of dedicated death-cult types....who can make that call? Monday morning CNN Socialists? The police chief? I think not.

 

Truthfully, I don't believe this type of "what would you do" scenario is constructive, as I feel people will react in unexpected, surprising and positive ways in highly stressed situations. And, regardless of the outcome, the Socialist wh**** will scream for more gun control, the head of the individual shooter and sympathy for the devil death-cult. I'm guessing we will have situations arise soon enough which will prove or disprove our guesses. Carry on.

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Well,

 

Shooting single action revolvers at stationary targets does not provide much tactical experience. Personally I have little experience with semi-auto firearms. So much is simultaneously occurring during a shooting event. So many questionable circumstances to process in a small time frame. I believe retreating, assisting others to escape and defending them would be my priority. My Ruger LCR is not much of a tactical firearm. Those who have more experience & are better equipped may have a different approach going on the offense rather than defense.

 

Hasta Luego, Keystone

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You state or infer that there's something basically wrong with someone who charges toward death, either from the "bad guys" or the "good guys." I take exception to that. I believe that thinking panders to the politically correct disease infecting our country and the social re-engineering machine at work in our country right now. In fact you pretty much sound as if you agree that their model has some legitimacy, simply by your effort to disprove it. Your own model gives a very lightly armed citizen no tools to deal directly with an attack on fellow innocents by cowards. He had no choice except to fall back or die. You create a situation that essentially prevents effective action by an ineffectively armed citizen, thus automatically confirming your presupposed outcome of, "See? We're not crazy!" Well, we AREN'T crazy; the PC machine is crazy and is winning some people over.

 

My first reaction would be to fall back, try to get others to fall back, and call for help. However, there's nothing inherently wrong with a reasonably armed common sensed individual, attempting to mitigate a killing spree. Hell, there's nothing wrong with trying to stop a killing spree with a chair leg. To believe otherwise lends support to those who would prey on our 2nd Amendment rights. Police would do the same, even to shooting by mistake, an off-duty, out-of-uniform policeman. Another aspect is the reaction time of police, which often is very quick and just as often, upwards toward 30 minutes. An on-the-scene shooter with 5-6 rounds could save a lot of innocents, even if he suffers injury or death in the process. Did that person do the wrong thing? He (usually) was dealing with an unbalanced bad guy or a group of dedicated death-cult types....who can make that call? Monday morning CNN Socialists? The police chief? I think not.

 

Truthfully, I don't believe this type of "what would you do" scenario is constructive, as I feel people will react in unexpected, surprising and positive ways in highly stressed situations. And, regardless of the outcome, the Socialist wh**** will scream for more gun control, the head of the individual shooter and sympathy for the devil death-cult. I'm guessing we will have situations arise soon enough which will prove or disprove our guesses. Carry on.

 

The question is what is "reasonably armed"

 

in this scenario, carrying a snubbie with no reloads means you're not armed well enough to interdict effectively. the only answer is fall back and attempt to protect others.

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You state or infer that there's something basically wrong with someone who charges toward death, either from the "bad guys" or the "good guys." I take exception to that. I believe that thinking panders to the politically correct disease infecting our country and the social re-engineering machine at work in our country right now. In fact you pretty much sound as if you agree that their model has some legitimacy, simply by your effort to disprove it. Your own model gives a very lightly armed citizen no tools to deal directly with an attack on fellow innocents by cowards. He had no choice except to fall back or die. You create a situation that essentially prevents effective action by an ineffectively armed citizen, thus automatically confirming your presupposed outcome of, "See? We're not crazy!" Well, we AREN'T crazy; the PC machine is crazy and is winning some people over.

 

My first reaction would be to fall back, try to get others to fall back, and call for help. However, there's nothing inherently wrong with a reasonably armed common sensed individual, attempting to mitigate a killing spree. Hell, there's nothing wrong with trying to stop a killing spree with a chair leg. To believe otherwise lends support to those who would prey on our 2nd Amendment rights. Police would do the same, even to shooting by mistake, an off-duty, out-of-uniform policeman. Another aspect is the reaction time of police, which often is very quick and just as often, upwards toward 30 minutes. An on-the-scene shooter with 5-6 rounds could save a lot of innocents, even if he suffers injury or death in the process. Did that person do the wrong thing? He (usually) was dealing with an unbalanced bad guy or a group of dedicated death-cult types....who can make that call? Monday morning CNN Socialists? The police chief? I think not.

 

Truthfully, I don't believe this type of "what would you do" scenario is constructive, as I feel people will react in unexpected, surprising and positive ways in highly stressed situations. And, regardless of the outcome, the Socialist wh**** will scream for more gun control, the head of the individual shooter and sympathy for the devil death-cult. I'm guessing we will have situations arise soon enough which will prove or disprove our guesses. Carry on.

I see nothing wrong with this type of scenario question. It may spur some to get good tactical training, or at least begin to think differently.

They are even teaching to fight back with anything available in an active shooter incident "if you have no choice".

But most of the advice I see here has been sound. Political correctness has nothing to do with it.

And when push comes to shove, one will react based on what seems the right thing to do at the time. If it's fight back, then so be it. If it's escape I would be loathe to brand one a coward who has never been in harms way before.

Bottom line is there is nothing wrong with trying to stop a killing spree with a chair leg. If it's all you have and your gut tells you to. Not everyone is born to ride to the sound of the guns.

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IF , by myself , I can and will go towards the sound of gunfire ,

 

IF , I have the girls with me , then , I have to defend and protect them

 

if , you have never been under fire , your best bet is to get out as best you can

 

Hope to never have to do it , but will if I am forced into it

 

CB

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Well,

 

Say you're in a public setting. You believe you hear a firearm being discharged and people are scattering in all directions. You're not a trained professional law enforcement officer but have a carry permit and are armed with a revolver but no reloads. What do you do?

 

Assume you are legal to carry at the venue and having more firepower would have been better but this is your situation.

 

Keystone

 

Most helpful answers were in the direction I suspected. Find cover, escape immediate area, exit or find a defensible position and only shot when absolutely necessary. We are not Rambo looking to take the threat head on like some anti-gun folks assume. Thanks for the constructive replies.

 

P.S. Widder and I had lunch on Monday and briefly discussed this issue.

You pretty much answer your own question at the end.....I carry daily and have a CCW permit, I would crouch down quickly and place my hand on my gun, but not draw it (if its a firefight w/ police present they may perceive you as the threat and fire upon you if your gun is drawn and readied at the fire position)...Then I would gain my barrings and make quick decisive movements staying behind cover till I was out of the area of danger

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If you come upon a bad guy, draw, raise line of sight, fire till threat is stopped! I carry daily and I train to "stop the threat" This is what everyone who has a pistol and the ability to carry it where they live should do! "A armed society is a polite society"

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CAT,

 

If ever you and I are in a 'bad guy, live fire' situation, I'll take the gun and try to safely protect us behind some sort of barrier. You can take the chair leg and holler 'charge'..... ;)

 

I can't say for sure, but my guess is that most war hero's probably crouched in a foxhole and assessed the situation BEFORE any further venture out in harms way.

 

I think it would be interesting to hear from someone who ACTUALLY has faced such a situation, whether it be a LEO or otherwise. It would be interesting to hear from an LEO who was off duty wearing their civies and encountered a event.

 

 

..........Widder

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Heck you could just yell Charge!!!....and run out guns blazing and let whatever happens happen....would rather duck, cover, asses the situation, then take decisive action to save my life!....I guess since I've never been in a actual gun battle/firefight what I would do is pointless and so you should not care right?....Then address your post to LEO/officers off duty or whatever (I've taken every gun training class available to me, or anyone for that matter and I shoot 2-3,000 rounds a month at my local range (as much or more than is required by officers and duty personel who must constantly train for such situations)....Ask the guys who've been in shootouts what they do, they will tell you the same thing, because I've trained w/them!!

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