Swift Stoney 49735 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Just curious if anyone else is loading 3/4 oz 12 ga shotgun shells? Kid Nama and I have been shooting them for a couple of years with good results. With the cost of shotshell reloading components there is not much of a cost savings reloading your own but we enjoy the light recoil and the corresponding speed at which we are able to reload our 97s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Yes, Missus Tyrel hasn't shot a match just yet but I have been loading some 3/4oz shells for her with 700X powder. She likes the lighter recoil too. Was loading 3/4oz BP shells for my son but he likes my 7/8 BP loads better and we now shoot the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 You know that I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatin' Chamberlin Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 We have a cowboy that uses 5/8 oz of shot and is very successful with it. I myself still use 7/8 or 1 ounce of shot. Cheatin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I have had very good luck with 12 ga 3/4 to 7/8 oz loads in both smokeless and APP. Why put in more powder and lead than needed to get the job done? I have seen a shooter or two though that has taken light loads to the extreme. Last time they were VERY unhappy that a couple of the shotgun KDs would not go down even though they were solidly hit. Those of us shooting more realistic (3/4 oz and at least 1000 fps ) loads were not having any trouble though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church Key, SASS # 33713 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I use them with no KD problems. Even ran a seminar on reloading them at the Eastern Regional in early October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volga Vigilante Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Are you using 3/4 Oz wads or filling with something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Shootem, SASS # 24816 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I load them frequently and use them for practice to save money on shot. My daughters like them for the lower recoil. I use a 20 gauge over powder wad in the shot cup of a 7/8 oz wad so it crimps correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amarillo Rattler Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 My BP practice load is 3/4 oz reclaimed lead with = amount of grain weight of 2F KIK, fill the void above the lead with cat litter. Good crimp in Win AA Grays. Plenty of power for KDs. Just sayin, AR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Duvall Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I have used 3/4 oz loads with 3/4 oz wads since I started...no problems at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Claybuster CB0175-12 wads work great. Use the CB0178-12 wads with APP loads. Still load 3/4 oz of shot. Use the slightly shorter wad to offset the greater volume of powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I load 3/4oz with a Claybuster wad and Red Dot. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I load 3/4oz with a Claybuster wad and Red Dot. Randy Well, most of the time you put some Red Dot in there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 What would be the fun in putting powder in all of them. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Kitty litter. Now there's a thought. Might wear out the barrel after a time, but...... Hey....I might try that on squirrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Kitty litter. Now there's a thought. Might wear out the barrel after a time, but...... Hey....I might try that on squirrels. Rock salt. Did you never have any fun as a kid...??? Why, if you ain't been shot in the butt with rock salt... you musta been sittin' at home studyin' all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I reload 3/4 oz of shot and make a box for $4.50 including a $0.01 hull allowance. After my unofficial testing, below, that hull allowance should be $0.005 and lower when I start to making stubbies out of the split ones.. A few days ago I posted my unofficial times fired test shooting 12 ga HULLS, 2 ¾” fired until the crimp wouldn’t hold shot any more. Load was low recoil with ¾ oz 7.5 shot in a CBO175 wad shot at <1,000 FPS. I tested Nitros, STS, RIO's and Win AA's and they all went to 18 times fired. Using info from BPI my next test will be to cut the hulls off shorter, 3/8" to 1/2" each cut, eventually down to 1 1/2" to see what the max number if firings I can get, when I have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haole Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I've been loading 3/4 oz 12 gauge loads for Paniolo Anne and myself for a couple years now and I also use 700X. Here's what I do for practice and monthly matches: I have a bunch of plastic 12 gauge wads of various sizes I'm using up simply to get rid of them. I'm also using a variety of Winchester AA hulls, again, to get them used up and many of them are old and won't crimp well. I use 28 gauge cardboard wads in the bottom of the plastic wad, then the 3/4 oz load of shot, then a small piece of cardboard (about the thickness of a playing card) on top of the shot. After the crimp (and some of the older hulls won't crimp well), the top cardboard keeps the shot from falling out. Sometimes I need to put a dab of white carpenters glue in the center of the crimp to keep the crimp from opening up. For major matches, we use store bought shotshells using the lightest load we can find. Haole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 I have a 1" hole punch I got from Hobby Lobby and punch my overshot cards from adding maching paper. After I drop my shot, I put my paper on top of the wad holder, pull the lever down just enough to push the paper into the end of the hull, then move it to the precrimp die. No shot falls out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throckmorton,23149 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 yep,sure do using Clays...well,when I could still find it...and 3/4 oz wads. The old shoulder appreciates it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Broke my neck in 1999. I shoot 3/4-7/8 for nearly everything including trap, skeet and sporting. 700X and CB0175. Then added a Bumpbuster recoil pad, too on almost everything now. Still need to send it to Ken Rucker for my 3 Gun Beretta. Best money ever spent on a shotgun. For the record, not that it matters much anymore, but I'm clean on all clays/ poppers in SASS since I started in 2006. Ya know, back in the old days when shooters used to like unique stage presentations. If we ever start shooting s/g's at over 30 yards then may go to 1 oz. loads.....maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 yep,sure do using Clays...well,when I could still find it...and 3/4 oz wads. The old shoulder appreciates it. When I ran outa Clays a pard told me I could use Alliant Clay Dot with the same load and it does work, no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeye Duvall Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I load 3/4oz with a Claybuster wad and Red Dot. Randy Same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 7/8 oz. #7-1/2 shot, Claybuster CB0178-12 wad, and Clay Dot powder in STS hull at 1000 FPS. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I load 5/8 oz shot in my 16 gauge shells that have been cut down. Until I started cutting the hulls I always had ejection problems on all of my 97's. I now use a hull that is 3/16 shorter and since I've been doing that I've had no ejection issues. I built a sliding fixture for my bandsaw that makes it very easy and quick to shorten the hulls and then I use a BP skiver in the drill press to skive the hulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I load 5/8 oz shot in my 16 gauge shells that have been cut down. Until I started cutting the hulls I always had ejection problems on all of my 97's. I now use a hull that is 3/16 shorter and since I've been doing that I've had no ejection issues. I built a sliding fixture for my bandsaw that makes it very easy and quick to shorten the hulls and then I use a BP skiver in the drill press to skive the hulls. I plan on doing that when my hulls start wont crimp well after 18-24 loadings. Cut the crimp off and reload them down to 1 1/2" long when finished. BPI has the data for this, but they dont suggest this, I imagine so they can sell more hulls. I am thrifty with my components. I am reloading new, once fired AA's, Nitros, RIO's and STS, do they need skived? I havent bought a skiver yet, but have a drill press that I use to cut the crimp out of 5.56. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I plan on doing that when my hulls start wont crimp well after 18-24 loadings. Cut the crimp off and reload them down to 1 1/2" long when finished. BPI has the data for this, but they dont suggest this, I imagine so they can sell more hulls. I am thrifty with my components. I am reloading new, once fired AA's, Nitros, RIO's and STS, do they need skived? I havent bought a skiver yet, but have a drill press that I use to cut the crimp out of 5.56. PR If you go the your local Skeet field you can pick up tons of Remington Gun Club hulls for free. They will load and shuck out of a SXS with out any problem and you don't have to go to all the trouble of cutting and skiving. All I use is Rem. Gun Clubs and never had a problem. Also AA's, RIO and STS all use a different wad for best performance, check your loading book. NCD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 PR If you go the your local Skeet field you can pick up tons of Remington Gun Club hulls for free. They will load and shuck out of a SXS with out any problem and you don't have to go to all the trouble of cutting and skiving. All I use is Rem. Gun Clubs and never had a problem. Also AA's, RIO and STS all use a different wad for best performance, check your loading book. NCD This year I've had the steel heads pull off of new, Gun Club hulls. Three came off from a box of 25 shells so I don't trust them for a major match. I do use them at local matches and practice. They do shuck well from a SxS when the heads stay attached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I plan on doing that when my hulls start wont crimp well after 18-24 loadings. Cut the crimp off and reload them down to 1 1/2" long when finished. BPI has the data for this, but they dont suggest this, I imagine so they can sell more hulls. I am thrifty with my components. I am reloading new, once fired AA's, Nitros, RIO's and STS, do they need skived? I havent bought a skiver yet, but have a drill press that I use to cut the crimp out of 5.56. 16 gauge hulls are pretty scarce compared to 12 gauge. When I place my 16 gauge Herters or Federal hulls next to 12 gauge hulls the 16 gauge are just a tad longer. I've been fighting ejection issues for years with the purple hulls but not the black Remington's, they are a little bit shorter. So I built the trimmer and since I've been loading the shorter shells they don't hang up on ejection from any of my 97's now. It's a little bit of work but when I'm working out in the shop I'll do 50 size, cut and skive in about 15 minutes and I fit in about 4 sessions of that throughout the day. I have a BPI hull trimmer but it's much slower compared to the band saw method. A pard that I shot with gave me thousands of purple hulls and I had two garbage cans full so I'll be set with 16 gauge hulls for a long long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 PR If you go the your local Skeet field you can pick up tons of Remington Gun Club hulls for free. They will load and shuck out of a SXS with out any problem and you don't have to go to all the trouble of cutting and skiving. All I use is Rem. Gun Clubs and never had a problem. Also AA's, RIO and STS all use a different wad for best performance, check your loading book. NCD No one shoots gun club at my range witch is set up with 5 skeet and trap ranges and one sporting clays, they all shoot RIO, STS and Nitros. I dont mind reloading, I enjoy it as much as the shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 16 gauge hulls are pretty scarce compared to 12 gauge. When I place my 16 gauge Herters or Federal hulls next to 12 gauge hulls the 16 gauge are just a tad longer. I've been fighting ejection issues for years with the purple hulls but not the black Remington's, they are a little bit shorter. So I built the trimmer and since I've been loading the shorter shells they don't hang up on ejection from any of my 97's now. It's a little bit of work but when I'm working out in the shop I'll do 50 size, cut and skive in about 15 minutes and I fit in about 4 sessions of that throughout the day. I have a BPI hull trimmer but it's much slower compared to the band saw method. A pard that I shot with gave me thousands of purple hulls and I had two garbage cans full so I'll be set with 16 gauge hulls for a long long time. I bought one of those BPI trimmers too, but much prefer the little $30, 2" chop saw I got at HF. A friend who makes his own 300 blackout from 223 brass told me about it. Works great. Thats a lot of hulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 No one shoots gun club at my range witch is set up with 5 skeet and trap ranges and one sporting clays, they all shoot RIO, STS and Nitros. I dont mind reloading, I enjoy it as much as the shooting. Our local gun store occasionally has Gun Clubs on sale for $6 a box so once fired hulls are all over the place around here. I know what you mean about reloading. I find it relaxing to punch out a few cases of shells in an evening. At about 10pm I go to my reloading room and put the radio on 740am. During the week they play two half hour old radio shows. Last week it was Suspense and then Duffy’s Tavern. What ever floats you boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I bought one of those BPI trimmers too, but much prefer the little $30, 2" chop saw I got at HF. A friend who makes his own 300 blackout from 223 brass told me about it. Works great. Thats a lot of hulls. Our local gun store occasionally has Gun Clubs on sale for $6 a box so once fired hulls are all over the place around here. I know what you mean about reloading. I find it relaxing to punch out a few cases of shells in an evening. At about 10pm I go to my reloading room and put the radio on 740am. During the week they play two half hour old radio shows. Last week it was Suspense and then Duffy’s Tavern. What ever floats you boat. It cost me about $4.25 a box to reload. I load light because of my the new stainless steel shoulder I got 2 years age. My reloads are lighter than the Win Low Recoil loads but just as loud. I have been doing a bunch of testing because I want to try trap and skeet. I can use my cowboy loads for skeet, but need more FPS for trap. From my testing my shoulder can tollorate 1180 FPS. So when I finalize my loads I will give it a try. Testing another batch in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 It cost me about $4.25 a box to reload. I load light because of my the new stainless steel shoulder I got 2 years age. My reloads are lighter than the Win Low Recoil loads but just as loud. I have been doing a bunch of testing because I want to try trap and skeet. I can use my cowboy loads for skeet, but need more FPS for trap. From my testing my shoulder can tollorate 1180 FPS. So when I finalize my loads I will give it a try. Testing another batch in the morning. I shoot a lot of Skeet and if you are looking for something soft on your shoulder you might want to look into a semi-auto. Something like a Benelli Super Black Eagle or a Remington 1100/1187. With a one ounce load either will be very nice to you shoulder and are very good guns for Skeet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin Ralph Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I shoot a lot of Skeet and if you are looking for something soft on your shoulder you might want to look into a semi-auto. Something like a Benelli Super Black Eagle or a Remington 1100/1187. With a one ounce load either will be very nice to you shoulder and are very good guns for Skeet. Thanks, I will check them out. One of the guys has a Berretta with a spring loaded stock that looks interesting too. How far do you lead them say at the top of the arch or furtherest? I would think, depending on the location on the arch that will change, like when you are by the house with no lead because of the angle. I thought about caculating the FPS and distace, but its easier to ask. This morning I am going to pattern some shot guns to see what my chokes are, now that I read the correct way to do it at 40 yards. I plan to start using my coach gun until I get some experiance then start shopping. I have 3 pumps but my other shoulder wont let me work the action correctly and I cant rack them fast enough. One has a full choke so I may use it for trap. I have no plans to compete, just doing it for fun because Ive never tried it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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