Santa Fe River Stan,36999L Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I'm not interested in debating the merits of the 3 SASS approved scoring systems. All I am asking is this..... Shouldn't the Match Directors at the Regional and above level be allowed to choose which SASS approved scoring system they use? If their shooters want to use Total Time or a Stage Points shouldn't they be allowed to use it....shouldn't any SASS approved scoring method be available? Yes or No? Stan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Hanlin SASS#66204 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes. Spades H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 No. A universal system should be used. Although I lean toward one of the systems they all work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes, but type of scoring should be announced in the application, so shooters can decide if that is a match they want to participate in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oklahomabound Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 ...Match Directors choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Coroner Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes, it should be the match director's choice. Good question Stan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes, but type of scoring should be announced in the application, so shooters can decide if that is a match they want to participate in. Match Directors choice...... yes. And as JB posted, it should be on the application, just in case some shooters have a STRONG preference. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Doggle Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes, but type of scoring should be announced in the application, so shooters can decide if that is a match they want to participate in. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles B. Gatewood SASS #48517 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes! This is an all inclusive sport/game and since we don't accumulate points toward championships, why not? CBG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Howdy Oh OOOH OOOH, can I vote for NO scoring system? Best CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Most Wanted Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, August 15, 2015 - Insulting Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, August 15, 2015 - Insulting No...we should continue to be Sheeple... And are there really people out there that wouldn't attend a fun-filled SASS match based on the scoring system?????? Wow... Phantom Link to comment
Most Wanted Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, August 15, 2015 - Response to hidden insult Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, August 15, 2015 - Response to hidden insult No...we should continue to be Sheeple... And are there really people out there that wouldn't attend a fun-filled SASS match based on the scoring system?????? Wow... Phantom While I have a preference I wouldn't let a scoring system keep me from attending a shoot. Link to comment
Blackwater 53393 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, August 15, 2015 - Response to hidden insult Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, August 15, 2015 - Response to hidden insult Yeah!! What Phantom said!! WHACK WHACK WHACK!!! Link to comment
Cheatin' Chamberlin Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 YES!!!! Cheatin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Reckon I'm in the YES camp.. Reckon I'd go along with match directors choice.. Reckon it should be on the match's application .. Reckon I'd prefer one type over the others.. Reckon it wouldn't keep me from a match I liked.. Rance Thinkin' there's a lot of reckoning out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 While I have a preference I wouldn't let a scoring system keep me from attending a shoot. ditto ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Doggle Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 The way I shoot, it really don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 The way I shoot, it really don't matter. I'll agree with that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clancy O'Conall, SASS #75088 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes, different Area's/Region's may be more accustomed to one system or the other. Let the Match Director/Host Club use the scoring system of their choice. I personally like the Total Time system, cause I've seen the Rank Scoring bite too many Top Shooter's in the behind at our local clubs. I've been told that rank scoring rewards the more consistent shooter but I don't believe that is the truth. Personally seen it too many times where an exceptionally fast shooter may rank #1 on 4 stages and has one less than stellar stage and it knocks them out of the Top Gun spot even though they may have out-shot their competition by 3-5 seconds on average per stage. Just the view from my humble saddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korupt Karl Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 YES....most definitely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dewey Cheatem, SASS #75620 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes DC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kananaskis Kid, SASS #62402 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 1) ... 2) As it stands, the decision of scoring methods for regional and above lies with SASS, the governing body of this sport. At it's widest influence that would include the TGs which are guided by their local clubs, at the narrowest it is the Wild Bunch. Moving that decision to the Match Director of a given match, is not in fact 'letting the shooters decide' at best it is a committee decision by the match director and his club hopefully with input from a wide range of shooters that will likely be attending the match. At worst, the decision is based on his own opinion or that of a smaller group of friends. 3) 'Most would not avoid a match based solely on the scoring method' - And by the same token, nor would they choose a given match based solely on the scoring system used. Moot argument here as it will neither help nor hurt match attendance. However, IMO there are some who may avoid a match due to scoring system, especially systems that are harder to understand. Regional and above matches for most of us also mean a bigger investment in time, travel and money to attend and as such our criteria for choosing to attend or not often gets tighter. 4) Continuity - The shooters at the top of this game know how to tune their game based on the scoring system being used. The rest of us, not as much. And while be may not be at the top of the score sheets, we like to be competitive with those at our own skill and speed level. If use of a given system is a local or regional thing, shooters local to that would be more accustomed to fine tuning their game to that scoring system than those who might be traveling in from the fringe of the region where another system is most commonly used. Further - you could have a regional that one year was total time, the next stage points, the next rank points. Shooters could theoretically be subject to a different scoring method for regional, national, and world matches. Absolutely the scoring method should be listed on match promotional information and entry form especially if MDs are allowed to choose. Change is not always progress. edit - for a yes or no answer - limited to just rank points or total time I would say yes, adding in stage points or another method my answer would be no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 NO!!! There needs to be consistency and that should come from the SASS office. I feel they have it right with rank point scoring. (The only way to score a championship caliber match). Seems the gun manipulators and gamers always want total time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 some inside info.... around 08 the lesser members of the ROC were in the process of taking a poll about doing away with Rank Point Scoring.. it was obvious that it wud meet it's demise until a member of the WB told us in no uncertain terms that it was NOT open for discussion. That is why there has been no discussion in the ROC. Now, these years later and new members among the WB it cud be brought up, but don't hold your breath! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padre P.W. #18726 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Skye, SASS #54791 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes. Match Directors choice, and stated on the Shooters application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge'm All Duncan, SASS#67320 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 YES!!!!!!!! Match Director choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes....................loooong overdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I guess some people haven't figured that the OP only wanted a Yes or No answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0ckr0ach, SASS #26100 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 NO ! When the Members (customers) of SASS buy out the Wild Bunch and own SASS, then the Members can make that decision. Until then, it is the decision of the current owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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