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Do We Need to Address "Designer Jeans"?


Blackjack Zak

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OR......... it might just be the way to entice new members to join! At the very first match I visited, seeing everyone walking around in period clothing, spurs jingling, dual gun holsters and cowboy hats was a big part of the appeal to me. Had there just been a bunch of folks walking around in cut off blue jeans, bermuda shorts, tee shirts or tank tops and sandals, I doubt I would have been attracted to the "mystique" of Cowboy shooting.

 

Think about the changes you are wanting to make, today.... designer jeans, tomorrow.... ball caps optional!

Sounds like the sky is falling.

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Well I've refrained from adding to this topic..

If you can't define the rule.. I reckon it should be done away with it..

 

I've been in this sport since the fall of 2002..

I've never given thought about bling on my jeans..

I knew they weren't allowed.. and that was about it..

I did have some designer jeans back in the 80's but they left my closet a long time ago.. :D

 

I go as far as even cutting the big labels off my Levi's (they don't need to know my waist size) and Wrangler's..

I, myself, just don't like advertising for companies on any of my personal clothing or cowboy clothing.. but that's just me..

 

Relaxed dress code for the monthlies for extremely hot & humid weather... I'm ok with.. but I still usually dress cowboy..

 

I don't shoot B Western.. but I thought their clothing looked mighty nice ...

Same with Classic Cowboy.. i like the way they look and dress..

Some of those catagory shooters dress to just try to get along with the minimum..

but if it's ok with the rest of 'em.. it's ok with me..

 

At bigger matches I've heard the RO asked the B Western shooters and Classic Cowboy shooters

to check each other out to see if they have any objections to the way they were dressed..

That tells me it's a hard rule to enforce.. :blush:

 

I've never seen the problem at monthly or annual matches.. seems most folks know better.. :)

 

Rance ;)

Just my thinkin' :blush:

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It would seem the clothing a accoutrements section of the shooters handbook (P.3) covers the general feeling behind designer jeans and "skinny jeans" (which are far worse, IMHO)

 

if it's not of one of the three periods mentioned it's not legal. Why were designer jeans given their own rule to begin with?

 

 

Cowboy Action Shooting™ is a combination of historical reenactment and Saturday morning at the matinee. Participants may choose the style of costume they wish to wear, but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century, a B-western movie, or Western television series

This seems to more than cover the whole designer jean nonsense, doesn't it?

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Rules open to local interpretation create issues when the shooter travels and finds the local interpretation is different than their home club.

 

Most women's jeans are considered "designer" even if they are unadorned,

 

For those reasons, I think the rule should go as written.

 

A more reliable replacement, which gets to the point of the issue, would be "Jeans must be a subdued color, such as blue, black, brown, or tan. Tie dyed or vividly colored jeans are not acceptable."

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Uh Oh! I bet that saying "no colored jeans" won't fly. I've seen some cute B-Western costumes with matching jeans and bodice. Also, I have nothing against Nudie Cohn designs in BW.

 

Although Nudie's designs might not be denim, they could be copied into denim. Following is an example on Porter Wagoner. (He sure looks like Wild Shot in this photo.)

 

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I've seen loungy (pajama looking)pants, sweat pants with cowboy boots, and some other strange attire recently and thought to myself

"wow", what do those shooters wear in a casual setting? The OP did mention designer jeans. Shorts, and flip flops are already covered in the rule book(s). We can go barefooted!

Can you point out where shorts are covered in a rule book?

 

RR

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We do not want to let the dress code slip downward any further than it already has. There are more than a few who have forgotten that age, gravity and the fact that we are supposed to be a family oriented sport can render their costume selections inappropriate.

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So, if a lady with a soiled dove costume wore ruffled shorts, she would be told she was dressed inappropriately.

 

 

Cowboy Action Shooting™ is a combination of historical reenactment and Saturday morning at the matinee. Participants may choose the style of costume they wish to wear, but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century, a B-western movie, or Western television series

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If a lady is wearing jeans, with no bling, but they are cut to... well, nicely fit a lady's figure... are they non-SASS legal, 'cause a "designer" ,(in the old days, they was called Tailors and Seamstresses), got ahold of them??

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Honestly Allie, I aint one to complain about such things, but since you are soliciting opinions, I think those should be unacceptable. Particularly for shooting.

I can think of three ladies who already dress like the Dale & Roy Photo when shooting. However, they may not like their photos posted as part of this discussion.

 

I've also seen ladies wear corsets without chemises under them. Is that okay, when shorts or short skirts with shorts showing are not?

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I can think of three ladies who already dress like the Dale & Roy Photo when shooting. However, they may not like their photos posted as part of this discussion.

 

I've also seen ladies wear corsets without chemises under them. Is that okay, when shorts or short skirts with shorts showing are not?

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During the period we are discussing corsets were underwear, NOT outerwear. However I think that trend has gone on for so long it will ever be reversed. I think the rule is unenforceable and need to be deleted.

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. . . . Part of the problem is that we really don't have a definition of "Designer Jeans" but we all know what they are. . . .

 

Zak must have closely paid attention in those citizenship classes. To both paraphrase and quote that legal scholar, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, in Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964) [i can't define what is pornography.] "But I know it when I see it." Please don't be offended - it was the only analogy I could find on short notice.

 

Permissible attire should be defined as that which is acceptable to a majority of the participants in the sport. Common sense rules. Good luck putting that on paper and figuring out how to enforce it. There are people who always, and I mean always, dress 100% period correct shooting on the same posses with folks to whom correct clothing is unimportant and who really don't give a rat's behind who doesn't like it. If we all believed the same way, we would all dress the same way - but we don't.

 

Maybe Misty's announcement at this year's EOT awards ceremony was the way to handle it. "If you are not dressed cowboy, please do not come up and accept your award."

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Oh, I guess because it is a skirt, this would be okay. Or, is it shorts with an overskirt.

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Don't know that anyone would disqualify outfits worn by these two during any of their performances (on or off screen). it has nothing to do with the short/skirt conundrum - it's because these are B-western costumes. They fit clearly into that category.

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HD,

 

You do not need to shoot the B-Western category to wear BW costumes. As Grizz posted, " Participants may choose the style of costume they wish to wear, but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century, a B-western movie, or Western television series."

 

I have never shot the BW category, but I frequently wear what could be called a non-fancy BW style, like this.

 

 

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HD,

 

You do not need to shoot the B-Western category to wear BW costumes. As Grizz posted, " Participants may choose the style of costume they wish to wear, but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century, a B-western movie, or Western television series."

 

I have never shot the BW category, but I frequently wear what could be called a non-fancy BW style, like this.

 

 

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Sure, I certainly agree with you! The COSTUME is B-western, never said the shooter had to shoot that category, just that THAT was the category the costume fits in. (my wife would love your outfit, by the way!)

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We could probably define the term designer jeans in a tome like this. We would need several more such volumes to handle B-Western, and another couple for the other categories.

 

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I can think of three ladies who already dress like the Dale & Roy Photo when shooting. However, they may not like their photos posted as part of this discussion.

 

I've also seen ladies wear corsets without chemises under them. Is that okay, when shorts or short skirts with shorts showing are not?

 

Sorry, but I don't know what chemises means, and in my experience, there's a pretty wide variety of corsets. So I can't answer that.

 

If I were a MD, I wouldn't throw anyone out for dressing like those 2 ladies you posted, but if they were to come to me and say they wanted to shoot at the match next weekend and would this getup be ok. I'd probably ask them if they had some designer jeans they could put on instead.

 

 

Or nothing!!! :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

 

And this would be one of the reasons they ought not wear it.

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I don't really care what folks wear, but if youare allowing it under some circumstances because you can't define the term, then get rid of the rule. If the term is so vague as to have a different meaning to each individual then we are making much to do about nothing....

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If I were a MD, I wouldn't throw anyone out for dressing like those 2 ladies you posted, but if they were to come to me and say they wanted to shoot at the match next weekend and would this getup be ok. I'd probably ask them if they had some designer jeans they could put on instead.

 

 

 

 

Under what rule in the book would you use to reinforce your request for them to change their attire?

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I think the first designer jeans I ever saw were being worn by Dale Evans or some similar actress performing in a B-Western TV show. I am not at all sure how the rule was ever enacted, but it serves no useful purpose. I say it is time to remove it.

 

I guess the objection to the jeans in the photograph up thread is the models were wearing skin tight jeans. I don't know anybody who wants to wear skintight jeans shooting. If they do it is only because they have put on some extra weight.

 

Just imagine the stink if somebody decided to enforce the rule. I doubt anybody is dumb enough to actually enforce the rule. We should rely on social pressure to enforce the dress code.

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Don't know that anyone would disqualify outfits worn by these two during any of their performances (on or off screen). it has nothing to do with the short/skirt conundrum - it's because these are B-western costumes. They fit clearly into that category.

Just for the record. Miss Evans outfit is not even close to complying with the rules for B-Western.

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Our household budget survived for years because I was able to convince my teen aged daughters that Wranglers were designer jeans.

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Just for the record. Miss Evans outfit is not even close to complying with the rules for B-Western.

Which part is it not in compliance with? The only thing I can find is she's not wearing boots.

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