John Henry Quick Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Does anyone make a lever action .45 Auto? I've been looking around, but found nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Conversions of Uberti toggle guns have been built by Goatneck Clem and I believe one or two other smiths. Usually uses the technique of new cartridge tab on bolt, using a deeper extractor, and a carrier with a swinging cartridge stop. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Conversions of Uberti toggle guns have been built by Goatneck Clem and I believe one or two other smiths. Usually uses the technique of new cartridge tab on bolt, using a deeper extractor, and a carrier with a swinging cartridge stop. Good luck, GJ 45 ACP head spaces on mouth. How would they get around that without rebarreling the gun? Or setting the barrel back and rechambering it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 45 ACP head spaces on mouth. How would they get around that without rebarreling the gun? Or setting the barrel back and rechambering it? Bingo. This is exactly what I was wondering. Could obviously be done but, seems it would cost a lot more than it's worth. But then again, if it's your money you can spend it any way you see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 CodyMatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooklyn Slim Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Cody Conagher does a conversion for $560.00 http://codyscowboyshop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 You have to set the barrel back and recut the chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Irish Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 El Pollo Loco has one. He seems happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Henry Quick Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 CodyMatic Cody Conagher does a conversion for $560.00 http://codyscowboyshop.com Thanks pards! He's just a short drive away, so I should have thought of checking his site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Several Wild Bunch shooters use them. They are slick and fast. You do have to be careful when loading them though to be sure the last round it properly positioned. Cody's are really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Several Wild Bunch shooters use them. They are slick and fast. You do have to be careful when loading them though to be sure the last round it properly positioned. Cody's are really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I checked his website and saw it advertised but the only thing it shows is the price. Anybody know if that includes a barrel replacement to deal with the headspace issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 If you did find one or get one of the ones mentioned above, what about the crimp? You would have to have a better crimp that is used for your typical .45 auto pistol. Right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 If you did find one or get one of the ones mentioned above, what about the crimp? You would have to have a better crimp that is used for your typical .45 auto pistol. Right?? You use the same ammo as your 1911...... Why would you need more crimp ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I checked his website and saw it advertised but the only thing it shows is the price. Anybody know if that includes a barrel replacement to deal with the headspace issue? He uses the same barrel, there is a lot more involved than just the "headspace issue".......... A lot of machine work, time and hand fitting + parts..... Don't see how he does it that economically.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I checked his website and saw it advertised but the only thing it shows is the price. Anybody know if that includes a barrel replacement to deal with the headspace issue? As I mentioned above, the barrel is set back and rechambered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 As I mentioned above, the barrel is set back and rechambered. Dang, one of these days I need to learn to read. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Happy Jack, just send all that 45 Colt down here to me. I won't let it go to waste. I promise!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste. You can bring it with you when you come down here to shoot Eldorado. I'll take it off your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Henry Quick Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste. Jack, My question was not related to shooting in CAS - I have a really sweet .44-40 CodyMatic for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 My question was not related to shooting in CAS Be aware, if you haven't looked at it before, that the pressures in a .45 auto cartridge can run well above what a .45 Colt runs. There may be some limits to just how hot a .45 auto round you can run in a toggle link conversion before you start bending the toggles and pins. The .45 Colt is really good at having knockdown power without needing a lot of pressure. A good hog gun project? Perhaps not. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste. Yup got way too many thousands of rounds of 45 Colt to convert one of my rifles to ACP. Still, it sure would be neat if the little Marlin carbine were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Occasionally, I have seen Winchester '92s on Gun broker that were converted to this caliber by some police agency in South America. I've put in bids, but never won one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 You use the same ammo as your 1911...... Why would you need more crimp ?? So the bullet doesn't get forced down in the case?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 So the bullet doesn't get forced down in the case?? No, the ACP headspaces on the case mouth, not the rim... Just like the 1911..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 No, the ACP headspaces on the case mouth, not the rim... Just like the 1911..... But the 1911 does not have a tube magazine. At least I've not seen one with a tube magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 But the 1911 does not have a tube magazine. At least I've not seen one with a tube magazine. Sorry, I didn't know what he was referring to.. If they are crimped well enough to be slammed and chambered by the slide of a 1911, I think it would be good enough to stand a little recoil in the tube... Never had a problem with mine so far...... Loaded to 165-170 PF, there is very little recoil with that weight rifle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Sorry, I didn't know what he was referring to.. If they are crimped well enough to be slammed and chambered by the slide of a 1911, I think it would be good enough to stand a little recoil in the tube... Never had a problem with mine so far...... Loaded to 165-170 PF, there is very little recoil with that weight rifle.... I can see where a tight fit bullet would not likely "turtle". But there is more than recoil. The tube spring adds to the force trying to push the bullet in. And there is the accumulated weight of the stack of cartridges acts like little hammers under recoil - small as it is. While I think it's a legitimate question, and maybe should be watch for, I doubt if it would be a problem. I shoot the C45S in the Marlin with no heavy crimp and have not had any "turtle". But the bullet is tight in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Something to also consider when establishing an appropriate crimp: In a nominal length 20" barrel, 10 rounds of the shorter .45 ACP/.45 Auto/C45S ammo doesn't compress the magtube spring as much as 10 rounds of full length .45 Colt rounds. Therefore, less force is being generated by the spring to push on those rounds. I have found that using a good Taper Crimp in the C45S ammo works great and my bullets don't push back in the case under the pressure of the magtube spring. AND, in my 16.5" barrel Marlin, 11 of the C45S ammo is equal to 8 .45 Colt ammo. So my magtube spring is pushing the same against all my ammo when the magtube is basically full. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 A whole different direction. Back in the days when I shot heavy loads in my 4" S&W 29, the bullets tended to pull from the case under recoil. Each shot would pull the remaining loads a little more. It took a real heavy roll crimp to keep them in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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