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Conversions of Uberti toggle guns have been built by Goatneck Clem and I believe one or two other smiths. Usually uses the technique of new cartridge tab on bolt, using a deeper extractor, and a carrier with a swinging cartridge stop.

 

Good luck, GJ

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Conversions of Uberti toggle guns have been built by Goatneck Clem and I believe one or two other smiths. Usually uses the technique of new cartridge tab on bolt, using a deeper extractor, and a carrier with a swinging cartridge stop.

 

Good luck, GJ

 

45 ACP head spaces on mouth. How would they get around that without rebarreling the gun? Or setting the barrel back and rechambering it?

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45 ACP head spaces on mouth. How would they get around that without rebarreling the gun? Or setting the barrel back and rechambering it?

 

 

Bingo. This is exactly what I was wondering. Could obviously be done but, seems it would cost a lot more than it's worth. But then again, if it's your money you can spend it any way you see fit.

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If you did find one or get one of the ones mentioned above, what about the crimp? You would have to have a better crimp that is used for your typical .45 auto pistol. Right?? :wacko:

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If you did find one or get one of the ones mentioned above, what about the crimp? You would have to have a better crimp that is used for your typical .45 auto pistol. Right?? :wacko:

 

You use the same ammo as your 1911...... Why would you need more crimp ??

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I checked his website and saw it advertised but the only thing it shows is the price. Anybody know if that includes a barrel replacement to deal with the headspace issue?

 

He uses the same barrel, there is a lot more involved than just the "headspace issue".......... A lot of machine work, time and hand fitting + parts..... Don't see how he does it that economically..........

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While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste.

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While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste.

 

You can bring it with you when you come down here to shoot Eldorado. I'll take it off your hands. :)

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While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste.

 

 

Jack,

 

My question was not related to shooting in CAS - I have a really sweet .44-40 CodyMatic for that. :D

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My question was not related to shooting in CAS

 

Be aware, if you haven't looked at it before, that the pressures in a .45 auto cartridge can run well above what a .45 Colt runs. There may be some limits to just how hot a .45 auto round you can run in a toggle link conversion before you start bending the toggles and pins.

 

The .45 Colt is really good at having knockdown power without needing a lot of pressure. A good hog gun project? Perhaps not.

 

Good luck, GJ

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While it has a lot of appeal to Wild Bunch shooters as they only need to load 45ACP for both pistol and rifle, I don't see as much appeal to typical Cowboy Action shooters. It is NOT legal for Classic Cowboy/girl since those categories require a RIMMED cartridge. I'm thinking seriously about having my WBAS rifle converted, but I have about 2000 45Colt once fired Starline brass that would go to waste.

 

 

Yup got way too many thousands of rounds of 45 Colt to convert one of my rifles to ACP. Still, it sure would be neat if the little Marlin carbine were...

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You use the same ammo as your 1911...... Why would you need more crimp ??

So the bullet doesn't get forced down in the case??

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But the 1911 does not have a tube magazine. At least I've not seen one with a tube magazine.

Sorry, I didn't know what he was referring to.. If they are crimped well enough to be slammed and chambered by the slide of a 1911, I think it would be good enough to stand a little recoil in the tube... Never had a problem with mine so far...... Loaded to 165-170 PF, there is very little recoil with that weight rifle....

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Sorry, I didn't know what he was referring to.. If they are crimped well enough to be slammed and chambered by the slide of a 1911, I think it would be good enough to stand a little recoil in the tube... Never had a problem with mine so far...... Loaded to 165-170 PF, there is very little recoil with that weight rifle....

I can see where a tight fit bullet would not likely "turtle". But there is more than recoil. The tube spring adds to the force trying to push the bullet in. And there is the accumulated weight of the stack of cartridges acts like little hammers under recoil - small as it is.

 

While I think it's a legitimate question, and maybe should be watch for, I doubt if it would be a problem. I shoot the C45S in the Marlin with no heavy crimp and have not had any "turtle". But the bullet is tight in the case.

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Something to also consider when establishing an appropriate crimp:

 

In a nominal length 20" barrel, 10 rounds of the shorter .45 ACP/.45 Auto/C45S ammo doesn't compress the magtube spring as much as 10 rounds of full length .45 Colt rounds. Therefore, less force is being generated by the spring to push on those rounds.

 

I have found that using a good Taper Crimp in the C45S ammo works great and my bullets don't push back in the case under the pressure of the magtube spring. AND, in my 16.5" barrel Marlin, 11 of the C45S ammo is equal to 8 .45 Colt ammo. So my magtube spring is pushing the same against all my ammo when the magtube is basically full.

 

 

..........Widder

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A whole different direction. Back in the days when I shot heavy loads in my 4" S&W 29, the bullets tended to pull from the case under recoil. Each shot would pull the remaining loads a little more. It took a real heavy roll crimp to keep them in place.

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