Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Good thing that guy paid 5 million and released 5 high level terrorist fir him
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Big Ears will pardon him if they convict.
Guest Hoss Carpenter, SASS Life 7843 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Send him to Utah for the Firing Squad! Hoss
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Another splendid move that will be totally ignored by the lamestream media!
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 He and his Commander-in-Chief are disgraces to our country. GG ~
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I suspect this could ultimately be a career-limiting situation for some higher-ranking JAG types...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Another splendid move that will be totally ignored by the lamestream media! Except that it's on the front page of the New York Times; just read it.
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I am wondering if Leavenworth is as bad as it once was back in the '50s? We had a court-marshal on a soldier that wrecked some equipment on purpose. He got 20 years in Leavenworth. But I suspect that back then they would have shot a deserter.
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 I am wondering if Leavenworth is as bad as it once was back in the '50s? We had a court-marshal on a soldier that wrecked some equipment on purpose. He got 20 years in Leavenworth. But I suspect that back then they would have shot a deserter. Not too likely. Eddie Slovik was the only US soldier shot for desertion in WWII. http://www.worldwar2history.info/Army/deserters.html
Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted March 25, 2015 Author Posted March 25, 2015 Don't let your heart be troubled, I bet the barry and his merry band of misfits will cut an even better deal with Iran
Big Sarge Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 Bergdahl will make a fortune off of his book deal and the movie? He'll be the toast of Hollywood. I wonder if he will play himself, like Audie Murphy did?
Banjer Pickett Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 He should be strung up if convicted. Not for dessertion but for the death of 6 soldiers and destroying i other soldiers life due to a headshot wound. You NEVER leave your post-especially in a WAR! I'm just glad the Army didn't sway to all the politics behind the scenes......yet!
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Except that it's on the front page of the New York Times; just read it. I'm shocked!!
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I'm shocked!! That it's in the NY Times or that Mr. Gauntlet can read GG ~
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I'm thinking they ought to tie him to a pole on Victory Drive in Columbus, Georgia for a weekend.
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 That it's in the NY Times or that Mr. Gauntlet can read GG ~ Or that it's the NYTimes he reads!
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Or that it's the NYTimes he reads! Or hey - NEW YORK TIMES he reads GG ~
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 Come to think of it Red, whatcha doing messin' with that liberal rag of a newspaper anyhow?? It'll screw up yer brain!
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I'm thinking they ought to tie him to a pole on Victory Drive in Columbus, Georgia for a weekend. ROADTRIP!
Big Sarge Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Do you think this will affect the grass root effort to award him the Silver Star for his heroism while held captive?
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 If he is convicted before this current administration leaves, I fear an executive pardon will be in the offing.
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 If I remember correctly, at the time Bergdahl disappeared, no one was certain of the details, and they did not know if he deserted, wandered off, or was outright captured. Seems to me that even the Army did not come to that conclusion until after he was returned and questioned. If you were making the decision at the time it was made, under the facts then known, wouldn't you want to get him back (leaving no soldier behind), and also to avoid a horrendous video decapitation, that would demoralize your troops and your citizens? Would that not be worth the risk of a "poor trade"? I'm not advocating one course of action versus another; I just don't know whether anyone had the luxury of full disclosure of the facts before the choice was made. And if he were my son, deserter or not, I would want my government to bring him home. Let him face justice then; he certainly would get no justice in the hands of the enemy. Of course, I'm just a father - not the Commander-in-Chief. LL
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I am certain that the transparency of the government will show us the truth.
Eamon Chute Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I am certain that the transparency of the government will show us the truth. Your meds Badger......we keep telling you to take your meds!!!!! EC
Elk Creek LeMieux Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 If I remember correctly, at the time Bergdahl disappeared, no one was certain of the details, and they did not know if he deserted, wandered off, or was outright captured. Seems to me that even the Army did not come to that conclusion until after he was returned and questioned. You misremember sir. He was a deserter. They knew it when they made the deal.
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 You misremember sir. He was a deserter. They knew it when they made the deal. Tom: That was and is my memory. To try to confirm it, I looked at some on-line resources. This is one of the sources I looked at: - from Wikipedia: "On June 16, 2014, the U.S. Army said that it has begun investigating the facts and circumstances surrounding the disappearance and capture of Bergdahl in Afghanistan.[94] On June 25, 2014, the U.S. Army stated that there is "no evidence" that Bergdahl "engaged in any misconduct" during his years in captivity.[95] The 2010 Pentagon investigation referred to above dealt with events leading up to his capture. In July 2014, Bergdahl was returned to active duty.[96] In August 2014, it was announced that an investigation headed by Major General Kenneth Dahl would be conducted.[97] In December 2014 the Army referred Bergdahl's case to a four-star general for a possible court-martial.[98] On March 25, 2015, the Army announced that Bergdahl had been charged with two counts under the Uniform Code of Military Justice: one count of “desertion with intent to shirk important or hazardous duty” and one count of “misbehavior before the enemy by endangering the safety of a command, unit or place.”[99][100][101] Earlier sections of the article describe conflicting accounts of his disappearance, including differing versions from various people claiming that he deserted, wandered off in error, was grabbed from a latrine, wanted to go live in India, walked away with 2 Afghans, etc. My point was that until the Army could speak directly with Bergdahl, which did not happen until after the exchange occurred, it would have been difficult for the Army to declare him a deserter, or for the Army or the President to treat him as such. Apparently they did not, and ultimately returned him to duty pending an investigation, the results of which we now have. Until that time, he was a missing/captured US serviceman, and the government had to treat him as such. LL
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 · Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, March 27, 2015 - Political Hidden by Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217, March 27, 2015 - Political Yes, the administration knew he was a deserter when they made the deal. (or at worst he was suspected of being such) regardless - the president is a traitor and put in place a BAD deal (like he usually does) for America and future lives will be at stake. GG ~
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I guess I'll defer to Sen. Jack Reed - who is in a better position to know the facts and understand the military than I will ever be: "In the Senate, the ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, made clear Bergdahl was “innocent until proven guilty,” but said there appears to be “enough evidence to suggest he didn’t meet the highest standards of the United States Army.” Asked about the prisoner swap to obtain Bergdahl’s release, Reed, a West Point graduate and former Army Ranger, said, “I think what it does is say we get people home, and then we make sure that their performance was at the highest standards of the military.” LL
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I guess I'll defer to Sen. Jack Reed - who is in a better position to know the facts and understand the military than I will ever be: "In the Senate, the ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee, Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, made clear Bergdahl was “innocent until proven guilty,” but said there appears to be “enough evidence to suggest he didn’t meet the highest standards of the United States Army.” Asked about the prisoner swap to obtain Bergdahl’s release, Reed, a West Point graduate and former Army Ranger, said, “I think what it does is say we get people home, and then we make sure that their performance was at the highest standards of the military.” LL Now he must be punished! GG ~
Elk Creek LeMieux Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 With all due respect, I'm less interested in politician propaganda than I am in the statements made by people who served with him. Most of what you've quoted is statements made in the wake of the deal made for the man. Not statements made by those involved at the time of his disappearance, or from those tracking down his location. I'm glad we don't leave people behind, but I'll continue to be disgusted with his conduct and the manner in which he was recovered.
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 With all due respect, I'm less interested in politician propaganda than I am in the statements made by people who served with him. Most of what you've quoted is statements made in the wake of the deal made for the man. Not statements made by those involved at the time of his disappearance, or from those tracking down his location. I'm glad we don't leave people behind, but I'll continue to be disgusted with his conduct and the manner in which he was recovered. That- is what makes the most sense to this civilian. Those who served and were betrayed by the guy. GG ~
Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted March 27, 2015 Author Posted March 27, 2015 This just in...the low life puke's defense is that he left to report misconduct by his unit and was planing to come back. hmmm, vilify your enemies? Lie about it, sound familiar?
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 This just in...the low life puke's defense is that he left to report misconduct by his unit and was planing to come back. hmmm, vilify your enemies? Lie about it, sound familiar? He left to report it to the Taliban. "Hey, those infidel Americans are trying to kill you guys. Not me though. Got any fried goat fer supper?"
Big Sarge Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 From what I have read and seen on the news, I think we only know what the media has decided to tell us. At this point, I think he is guilty of the charges. A lot of folks are ready to break out the rope when it comes to Bergdahl. I say slow down, let's see how this plays out. He hasn't been convicted and you are innocent until proven guilty.
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