Calamity Kris Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I've received an offer to upgrade to Yosemite for free through Apple. While Apple doesn't do the same product testing as Microsoft, release it then let the users find the bugs, I feel relatively confident there won't be any issues. That being said, tis better safe than sorry. Does anyone else here use Yosemite? What has your experience been? Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If you here anything good let me know...It shows up on my up dates... Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 My experience is beta testing is for those who can debug code. Also, a computer that is clean of all other programs and had been copied to a back up source so when things don't work out, you can do a full format and re install the OS back to original condition. Other wise, the risk of loosing all your personal programs and data is very high. I find it best to let others do the beta testing and I will stay with a proven OS that has a few years on it. It's not like a 10 years ago when we were still looking for faster machines. The machines today are faster than normal users will every see. Gamers may see some lagging but non gamers will not bump up against the limits of today's machines. Unless you run 20 or more programs at once. When it comes to computers, "Newer is not necessarily better." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I thought Mav has fewer cloud functions---hence better?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Frank Norfleet Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I have a MacBook pro, 5 plus years old. I have kept up with the Apple updates. When Yosemite came out last August, I upgraded to it. The upgrade itself is huge so I recommend getting on a really fast line and plugging your computer in. We have DSL and it still took 8 hours. I had to do it twice since the first time I upgraded it didn't work well. A bit much for my home WiFi. Do I like it? It runs my Mac, the programs I like and is compatible with the iPhone 6. On a negative note. My wife never updates any of her software. When she tried to update to Yosemite, it crashed her computer. If you haven't kept up your updates I would be real leery of going to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I can only say that since installing Yosemite on her laptop, my daughter has noticed increased battery drain. It is her understanding this is a common complaint. Otherwise, I'm not aware of any problems that she has had. I don't know what forums or sites she utilizes to garner that information, but I can find out if you would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm using Mavericks and am standing pat. The downside to upgrading any operating system is what it does to the software you've already installed, e.g. Microsoft Office, Adobe Creative Suite etc. I have many dollars invested in those programs and I know for a fact that my versions won't work reliably with the new OS. My only option then is to upgrade those programs -- plus many others -- at substantial cost. Depends on what you do with your computer. These are issues for me, but may not apply to you. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I have had a theory that more modem systems cloud data beyond what u may put into a cloud folder, without notifying you it's doing do. This---clouding without "bothering " you---was actually a selling feature on the IOS5. I know Yosemity is not IOS. But it's same company, same philosophy. Not sure if it's happening on Yosemity. I did experiments with an IIS5, however, and confirmed it on there. This--clouding everything---might account for added battery drain. Nit sure, like I said. But I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I thought Mav has fewer cloud functions---hence better?? Yosemite has more Cloud features and compatibility than Mavericks. It's meant to provide a more seamless experience thru the Cloud with your iPad, iPhone & other Apple devices. My Apple devices all sync just fine as is, so I don't see any benefit to making the upgrade. Doesn't mean I won't in the future, but that would when my current hardware wears out. The other thing for me is I don't trust the Cloud for storing anything that's important to me. Every day we read of another major hacking where our personal data/identity is compromised. To me, the Cloud is no more secure than a cheap padlock on a bicycle chained to a lamp post in Chicago. I have yet to see a compelling reason to use the Cloud for anything but entertainment. My 2 cents. Edit: I don't have a Cloud account and keep that feature turned off on my devices. Yes, I'm sometimes a Luddite -- and proud of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Doggle Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Been running Yosemite since it was released. Works great on my three year old iMac. My only complaint is with Safari. By the way, Apple OS upgrade have been free for quite a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 CNBC reports now and then that some 97% of companies have been hacked, including the best. Geniuses out there love to do it for fun. Criminal enterprise, and disruption. Data is not really safe. My take on it is more from a national security perspective. I'm not interested in "convenience.". I'm interested in security, which does NOT involve giving countless thousands access to it, nor allowing an external system (AAPL) the ability to be part of a data-chain that results in what I see in my files on my computer. Not the least of which: I'm a writer---controversial issues involving minorities as circumstances evolve in society. Contemporary fiction and SciFi. As I work out how to best phrase things---rough drafts---I don't want copies of all that in others' hands. It's just privacy. Final products are out there, but rough drafts? Best private. The "convenience" of clouding others seem all too willing to embrace is, to me, a major intrusion and a pain in the &@@ to even partially circumvent. Mostly, I'm SnowLeopard, still, for that reason, though I'm getting messages it's not being supported by a growing number of sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I have it on my Macbook Pro. Works just fine but the software was all installed with new versions at the same time so I don't know if there are any issues with older versions of Office, etc. I too keep the cloud stuff turned off. Don't like the idea of not knowing where my files are. Kind of a technotard myself. But it works. No crashes, no restarts, no battery drain. Battery lasts lots longer than my previous Macbook Pro with some kind of cat operating system. Other than that, I quit trying to keep up with what's better than what a long time ago and just run what they tell me to. Lambs to the slaughter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm guessing Maveric may be less Cloudy than Yosemite?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Frank Norfleet Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm guessing Maveric may be less Cloudy than Yosemite?? No idea what you mean by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yosemite has more Cloud features and compatibility than Mavericks. Ah. Then between the two, I prefer Mav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I'm somewhat at a loss regarding security concerns about the Cloud. My entire business is on Microsoft 365, including client files on their cloud. The way I look at it, Microsoft must have better security than I can afford individually; they update their systems often and reliably; they have the whiz kid personnel to do the work; they have the hardware to hold the data, and will pay for more if they need it. There is simply no way that I could do better than that on a firm server system; we still need to be connected to the outside world, so we would still be exposed to hacking - and probably much less able to protect the data. I see it as the best, but not a perfect, solution - and probably better than what we could provide for ourselves within reasonable economic reach. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Different situation, here. I'm not running a business that must be connected to the world. I'm an individual. On the difference, I think people going for major disruptions, theft-for-profit, just plain fun, terrorism, or cyber warfare will be more inclined to focus on large, clouded databases, to have the largest effect. As an individual, I'd like to avoid such things. I'm not into fearing that major issues for me exist with such large-scale problems; rather, It's just my sense of privacy. I am not convinced that de-selecting a cloud function on a device actually prevents transmission, as clouding without notifying you has been, in the past, a selling feature advertised by Apple (IOS-5). From a national security perspective, post 9-11, I'd think that constant clouding would become the norm, and that classifications or contracts may prevent sharing of that info. I don't know, but from that end, it could be considered very important—which also makes me smile in the humor at the world when I see how well iPhones and Android phones are being accepted in other countries. I would be concerned, however, as someone whose info is in a system that is connected to clouds. I sit at home and watch the news—and I just have to laugh: Thousands of home security systems are hacked, video shown around the world: http://www.newsweek.com/russian-website-streams-footage-thousands-hacked-webcams-285721 40 Million credit cards hacked at Target http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-what-happened-to-your-target-data-that-was-hacked-2014-10 53 Million email addresses hacked at Home Depot http://www.wsj.com/articles/home-depot-hackers-used-password-stolen-from-vendor-1415309282 Microsoft Outlook hacked in China http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/21/microsoft-says-outlook-hacked-in-china/ "Money" Magazine story on companies that have been hacked. http://time.com/money/3528487/data-breach-identity-theft-jp-morgan-kmart-staples/ On a broader scale, cell phones left on in cars can be used to track traffic flows http://sciencenetlinks.com/science-news/science-updates/cell-phone-traffic/ They can also be followed individually... On and on.... I know the world is interconnecting, "Borging-up." I just wish, as the system matures over time, (1) I would like to be able to keep some of my information to myself, (2) I think people should be able to connect online to a central database on themselves, and see what information is out there on themselves, who has it, and what they're doing with it, and (3) If various folks waaaay up the food chain of information systems have all data on us, I think that for this Republic to work, we public must have the same information on them. They need to know who is a criminal or terrorist? Well, we need to know who we're putting in power over us. It's one of my things: information systems, information management, evolution of concepts through societies over time ... as they relate to the health of societies and also as they may relate to problems in societies. Imagine: What if Americans discover at some time that we are not immune to the wiles of people who do not cherish our beloved Bill of Rights / Constitution. Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rav Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 My Apple devices all sync just fine as is, so I don't see any benefit to making the upgrade. Doesn't mean I won't in the future, but that would when my current hardware wears out. I think people should be able to connect online to a central database on themselves, and see what information is out there on themselves, who has it, and what they're doing with it, andhttp://www.laptopinfoses.tk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rav Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think people should be able to connect online to a central database on themselves, and see what information is out there on themselves, who has it, and what they're doing with it, andhttp://www.laptopinfoses.tk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Understood, Jen. There is a certain inevitability to a significant loss of privacy in this electronic world. I have always assumed that my financial, employment and medical info is "out there", given insurance, banking and investment records that are probably vulnerable. But I'm not sure that I really care, as long as they aren't accessed for identity theft/credit theft purposes. If they are, I'm relying on credit reporting agencies and credit card companies (AMEX) to find and report the intrusions - imperfect, but sufficient to date. Beyond that, I don't use on-line banking or bill paying; I don't even use cash machines or automated tellers at the bank; I like to deal with people. I don't use social media (other than the Wire, which is relatively anonymous). I don't let Progressive put a driving data recording device in my car (even though the factory put one there already). I don't have security cameras that are linked to computers or cellular networks. I shut my cell phone off when I am not using it, for the most part. And I always assume that anyone who is determined can get access to just about any info about me that they want. I don't think there is any way to avoid it, except for not writing stupid stuff on Facebook, posting weird videos on YouTube or insisting on tweeting. Hold your virtual tongue. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 My experience is beta testing is for those who can debug code. Also, a computer that is clean of all other programs and had been copied to a back up source so when things don't work out, you can do a full format and re install the OS back to original condition. Other wise, the risk of loosing all your personal programs and data is very high. I find it best to let others do the beta testing and I will stay with a proven OS that has a few years on it. It's not like a 10 years ago when we were still looking for faster machines. The machines today are faster than normal users will every see. Gamers may see some lagging but non gamers will not bump up against the limits of today's machines. Unless you run 20 or more programs at once. When it comes to computers, "Newer is not necessarily better." + 1 I got one and I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Mostly, I'm SnowLeopard, still, for that reason, though I'm getting messages it's not being supported by a growing number of sites. I ran into the same situation and was forced to upgrade on my "main frame" for that reason. Part of the territory and price of progress, I guess. However, I found the older system to be a problem only when surfing the web as Firefox and Google Chrome wouldn't allow me to upgrade. As a result, I found accessing websites and content to be increasingly difficult. My other programs continued to work perfectly. It's not unlike owning an older car that requires leaded/and or very high octane gas. You can't get those things anymore, so you gotta work to keep things running. Good luck, Jen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Why they won't let us drive old cars... ?? Enterprise clashes with the Borg--and sometimes wins. Resistance is not always futile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I like your style, Jen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Aw, THANKS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_slinger Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I bought an iMac about 3 weeks ago and it has Yosemite. No issues. Runs just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Jen Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 That's good to know. Tks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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