Salt Flat Swindler Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm putting together a presentation on Yellowstone and found a photo of Nathaniel Pitt Langford (first superintendent of Yellowstone) on horseback with what I think is a Sharps carbine but I'm not sure what he has in his pommel bag holster. Doesn't look like a Colt, maybe a Remington? The photo dates to 1871. http://www.nps.gov/features/yell/slidefile/history/jacksonphotos/Images/14833.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldust Dan, SASS #2631Life Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Smith and Wesson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texita Draw SASS#77940 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Schofield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark's Fork Hawk Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Hard to say, but it looks like a Smith and Wesson as others have mentioned. (Based on the grip shape) The date of 1871 limits the choices. Since it looks like there's a trigger guard, that seems to narrow it down to a Smith and Wesson Model 3 "American" ... which was adopted by the US Army in 1870, making it easily available in 1871. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's a revolver of some sort! Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Looks like a "Spencer" carbine hanging from a Cal. sling.... And a S&W .... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Deck 100366 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Pistol looks to be a Smith and Wesson Model #3 from what can be seen. Looks like it has a lanyard loop maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 email Nathaniel Pitt Langford and ask him. I'm sure he would be happy to share the info. Might take a bit of time for the email to get to him... just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm going to guess Colt Bisley from the forward curve of the front strap and the thickness behind trigger guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Dude, SASS # 51223 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 A Colt Bisley in 1871 ? Not so much ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Merwin Hulbert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 A Colt Bisley in 1871 ? Not so much ! Colt Bisley prototype? Yea, I glossed over the 1871. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Brady Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I think Merwin is most likely, followed by a Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Merwin Hulbert? I thought so too, but the first Merwin & Hulberts weren't made until 1876. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Savage Navy Belt Revolver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sarge Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Looks like a "Spencer" carbine hanging from a Cal. sling.... And a S&W .... Jabez Cowboy I agree. It looks like a Spencer carbine and a S&W American revolver. Note: Two of his revolvers and a derringer are on display at the Mammoth Hot Springs Visitor Center. I bet you could call and ask. 307-344-7381 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Savage Navy Belt Revolver My guess also, a Savage cap & Ball revolver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Jeemes Kelly Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Savage Navy Belt Revolver I lean toward Pettengill Army Revolver given the strange shape of the holstered part, too. I don't thing the savages had quite as hard a curve at the grip, which is what makes this look like a Bisley grip angle. Also, if you blow the picture up, you can't see a hammer and it seems like you can see the big metal frame area between the cylinder and grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I lean toward Pettengill Army Revolver given the strange shape of the holstered part, too. I don't thing the savages had quite as hard a curve at the grip, which is what makes this look like a Bisley grip angle. The grip frame looks right but it sure looks like I see a trigger at the back of the trigger guard like a single action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Jeemes Kelly Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 The grip frame looks right but it sure looks like I see a trigger at the back of the trigger guard like a single action. You're right - I even thought about that, before I came up with the Pettengill, but I forgot. That puts me back to agreeing with S&W Mod. 3. Maybe a Hopkins and Allen XL Navy? Not sure about the years for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Spencer Carbine and S&W American revolver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Howdy Boys and Girls My money is on a Smith and Wesson American. One of the family of S&W #3 revolvers. First manufactured in 1870. Look at the grip shape. The same forward sweep. This was the first of the S&W #3 Top Breaks. It preceded the Russian model, the Schofield, the New Model Number Three and the 44Double Action. The Merwin Hulbert did not first appear until 1876. The Bisley model Colt did not appear until 1894. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Henry, SASS #53503L Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Forhand Wadsworth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 It's a homely horse and he needs to shorten his stirrups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 I was also thinking Pettengill, but, it's a single-action by the position of the trigger back in the guard. Another possibility might be an Allen & Wheelock. But looking at Driftwood Johnson's post, with the photo of the S&W 1st Model Russian, I'd go with that! As to the carbine, I'd go with the Sharps, based on the shadows in the receiver area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 OK, I'll be a bit more specific. The S&W First Model American, caliber 44 American (the heeled bullet version) was produced from 1870 until 1872. So it could be one of those. The 2nd Model American started production in 1872, so it is not one of those. The First Model Russian, which looked exactly like the American Model (no funny spur on the trigger guard and no big hump on the grip) was produced from 1871 until 1874. The only difference between the American Model and the First Russian Model was the caliber, 44 S&W American (heeled bullet) for the American model, 44 Russian (non-heeled bullet) for the Russian Model. But seeing as the photo was taken in 1871, and the American started manufacture in 1870, and the First Model Russian started manufacture in 1871, it is more likely that the gun in the photo is the American model, not the First Model Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 The stock lokks fluted and has a hard angle. I remember these being common to European revolvers like the British Adams, the Swedish Francotte and the Italian Glisenti. My guess would be the Adams. It was a very popular gun with the Canadians and wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Looking at the top of the carbine action, it's a sharps not a spencer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It's for absolute certainty ..... a revolver and a rifle. No doubt at all. Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Jim Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I don't know what the pistol is but from the magnification that I did on the picture, I can't see a hammer. Doesn't mean it aint there. Maybe the lighting was wrong. The trigger guard looks a little more rounded then what is shown in Driftwood's photo of his S&W. Just my observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Seamus Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It's for absolute certainty ..... a revolver and a rifle. No doubt at all. Coffinmaker Coffinmaker, Not only are you a snappy dresser, you are a veritable wealth of information. I know I shouldn't encourage you by posting this. Looking forward to shooting with you again this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Jeemes Kelly Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Driftwood Johnson has convinced me it's a Smith & Wesson. I didn't realize there was so much variation in the grip angle of the S&W revolvers, but the picture above sure looks right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 My first thought on the pistol, because of the curvature was a Volcanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'm voting for the S&W. Look at the wooden grip panel shape...the upper edge is a straight line, like on the S&W. The Pettengill grip edge is curved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why, thank you Seamus. Looking forward to a fun filled summer of shooting. Us clothes snobs gotta stick together (gotta swell new hat). I alway try to provide a dearth of information. Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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