Subdeacon Joe Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Per BATFE it might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Actually, reading the letter, they seem to have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 We pay taxes to support this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim No Horse Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Now I have to move the twine for tying up the turkey to the gun safe...yikes..Jim Thanks for the heads up......dang..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 Oh dear, we have an arsenal of shoelaces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I guess I'm pretty dense, but don't semi-auto have a disconnector that requires release of pressure on the trigger before the next round can be fired? It would seem to me that some other part of the arm would have to be modified in order for the string to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sabre Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I think it would work like this: front loop around charging handle on rifle bolt, string passes back over the finger, then forward to be looped around the trigger. Pulling back on the string trips the trigger. The string slacks when the charging handle comes back and allows the trigger to reset. When the charging handle returns to battery, it tightens the string again (if the finger is held in position after being pulled back) and trips the trigger. Firing would continue until the finger relaxes the string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariner Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I don't see how they can call that a machine gun as it still requires you to pull the trigger for each shot. The shoe string would pull your finger back, but you still have control over your finger and the gun can not fire without an additional action of pulling the trigger. And as mentioned above it seems that the trigger would have to be released in order for the weapon to be cycled so that it can fire again. Mariner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echeconnee Drifter Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 The shoe-string method is an old trick to rapidly fire a semi-auto AK. It's a lot like bump firing in that the trigger is rapidly depressed and released. I really don't see how this is functionally any different from those slide-fire stocks for AK's and AR's that the ATF ruled were legal because they required the trigger to be depressed by the finger. If the only difference is that the trigger is being depressed by an article of clothing rather than the flesh of the booger-picker, wouldn't bump-firing while wearing gloves classify as a "machine gun"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Nelson Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 I don't see how they can call that a machine gun as it still requires you to pull the trigger for each shot. The shoe string would pull your finger back, but you still have control over your finger and the gun can not fire without an additional action of pulling the trigger. And as mentioned above it seems that the trigger would have to be released in order for the weapon to be cycled so that it can fire again. The charging handle is what pulls the trigger by way of the string. As the handle moves forward it pulls back on the trigger (because the string is looped around the back of the trigger guard) and causes it to fire. The charging handle moves backwards to eject the spent case, allowing the trigger to move forward and reset. The charging handle moves forward again to chamber another round, and the cycle repeats. All you're doing with your finger is keeping enough tension on the string so the charging handle can pull it tight enough to fire. Here's a picture I found on the net. (For education only. Don't try this at home.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Nelson Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 If the only difference is that the trigger is being depressed by an article of clothing rather than the flesh of the booger-picker, wouldn't bump-firing while wearing gloves classify as a "machine gun"? No, because when bump firing your finger (gloved or not) is pulling the trigger once per round fired. It just feels like it's full auto because you're holding your finger still while the gun bounces against it. But from the gun's point of view it's one trigger pull, one round fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 If you release the loop from your finger, the gun will not fire. Your finger is pulling on the string counter to the movement of the charging handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 A muffin is a hand grenade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_slinger Posted December 29, 2014 Share Posted December 29, 2014 It's obvious this country needs common sense shoestring control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOUTH-PACIFIC,SASS #59402 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 i think it can be the same consept as slam fireing with just a small amount of mods on the fireing pin like keeping it from retracting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echeconnee Drifter Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No, because when bump firing your finger (gloved or not) is pulling the trigger once per round fired. It just feels like it's full auto because you're holding your finger still while the gun bounces against it. But from the gun's point of view it's one trigger pull, one round fired. When using the shoe-string method the trigger is pulled once per round fired as well. It works like this. The string is tied to the charging handle, which reciprocates with the bolt (this method will not work on an AR-15 for example, or any other gun with a non-reciprocating charging handle), looped around your finger, then the other end is tied to the trigger. You now pull on the string. This tugs against both the trigger and the charging handle. Since the trigger requires less force to operate than the charging handle does, the trigger is pulled back and the gun fires. At this point, the round goes down the barrel and gases force the bolt carrier and charging handle backwards. This creates slack in the string and allows the trigger to reset. The bolt carrier goes all the way back, then starts forward again, stripping a round from the magazine, loading it into the chamber, and coming to rest at its final position. This then creates tension in the string again, which tugs against the trigger, causing it to break a second shot. In both cases it's one trigger pull, one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 This configuration is just recreational fiddling around. It is not anything you would want to mess with in a tight situation. Anyway, as the ruling stands, free trip to Club Fed if you get caught with such a set up, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty Jack Hammer Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Talk about gun modifying on a shoestring budget…sheesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bristol Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 No matter what we think it is the BATF that makes the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horace Patootie, SASS #35798 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 A muffin is a hand grenade. Just don't mistake a hand grenade for a muffin. It's hard to butter a hand grenade :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Goodnight Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 This is just another item on a long list as to why the ATF should be a convenience store and not a government agency....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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