Rio Brazos Kid Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I am in need of a new carrier for a 1894 Marlin Cowboy limited in 38/357. Old one can't be fixed. Broken. Has anybody out there got one that they would part with? Haven't been able to find one. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I got a couple carriers from Brownells not too long ago. Fillmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 What makes yours not fixable? LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Anything that can be broken aside from a heart, can be fixed. Some things are worth the work and some are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Most objects made from glass do not fall in the above category! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 I suppose it's possible to weld it together, but would be difficult to keep proper alinement. A new part is the better way to go. Brownell's show them on backorder. My experience with Brownell's and backorders is not good. I have some parts backordered there right now for over 2 months. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I checked ebay and there were none listed at this time. But there are a lot of Marlin 1894 parts on ebay. I got a couple of new electors off ebay not long ago for about half of what the parts place wanted and didn't have. I've learned to check ebay for all kinds of parts (besides gun parts) and saved a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Kid, I'm curious as to how a carrier 'broke'. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Try Numrich. http://www.gunpartscorp.com They list at least one in stock. Lots of models listed though so I would call them with your S/N to ensure you get the right one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy the Avenger Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Can you post a pic of the broke carrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 I suppose it's possible to weld it together, but would be difficult to keep proper alinement. A new part is the better way to go. Brownell's show them on backorder. My experience with Brownell's and backorders is not good. I have some parts backordered there right now for over 2 months. RBK Now see, my experience was different. They projected a 2 month backorder but I got mine in 3 weeks. FC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sam, SASS #10915 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Widder, I don't know how Rio Brazos Kid broke his but I broke one trying to bend it a "little". They don't bend well! One of my early attempts at short stroking a Marlin. That one didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Howdy Sam. There is a picture floating around the past few years of a method of bending an 1894 carrier without heating it up. I've often wondered about that method without first heating up the carrier. BUT, I've got a good gunsmith friend who has heated them up just back of the wing area and taps them with a ballpeen hammer to bend the front up about .010 or less to help improve the initial timing. One of the negative issues of 'bending' is to make sure you still have enough 'tongue' on the front of the carrier to block the round in the portal from shooting thru under the carrier. I hope you were successful in your efforts on that Marlin. Best regards, ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 Widder Cold bending is how I broke this one. I have bent several, with good success, that is until this one. My bad. From this point on, I will use heat to bend them. It only takes about .010 to .012 to make them work properly, unless they are badly eroded from a very sharp cam. Usually you can smooth out the erosion, radius the cam, and bend the carrier a bit and all will work as designed. Lesson learned. Actually I should have known better than to cold bend it anyway. Won't happen again. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 KID, thanks for sharing. that might help others in being VERY cautious when bending a carrier. I can tell by your last post that you do indeed have some good knowledge of the Marlin. I think that's great. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Do you know a good TIG welder? LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Do you know a good TIG welder? LG Thats a good thought but I wonder if the cost of a new carrier might be cheaper than the hourly rate of a good TIG man. PLUS, ifn Rio Brazos Kid gets a new carrier, he can salvage the plunger and spring out of his broken carrier. All he would need is a 1/8" eclip and he would have an 'emergency' carrier kit should the other one decide to 'let go'. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I thought he could have it welded with the 'bend' he wants. It's a recourse if a carrier can't be found. I'd like to see a picture of the broken carrier. LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I may not be understanding why the carrier needed to be bent. When I installed a modified carrier in my 1894CB to convert it to shoot C45S, I needed to adjust the position of the carrier. I added a section of salvaged flat spring to the bottom plate. It's affixed with JB weld. The spring is .027 thick. Worked perfectly. And the spring is hard as glass. No way will the snail dig into this surface. This idea is documented on the Marauder web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 Howdy Warden, bending the carrier is another method that can be successfully used to help with initial timing issues. PLUS, it can also be used to help with the upper positioning if the carrier isn't rising high enough to the chamber. In the method you used to help with the timing for the C45S, it works great. It enhances the initial timing, which is the downward stroke of lever. Bending the front upwards a few .000's not only can help with initial timing, but it can be beneficial on the upwards position of the carrier in relation to the chamber.....which is in the closing of the lever. I know of a couple gunsmiths who prefer to bend rather than build up the ramp. As for me, if it only pertains to the initial timing, I prefer to use Gunner Gatlin and let him do 'his thing' by placing a super hard steel piece in the carrier ramp. He can make it a flush fit or he can give you an increase in height of that ramp. In the job I ask him to do for me, he gave me a .020 rise, which gave me a perfect timing for my .38 Comp. best regards ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 It would be interesting to know of what material and method the new carriers are made. They seem to be soft for gun parts. Maybe some kind of compressed powder process. I thought as I was butchering on the carrier on my 1894 that if I went too far, I could use the same spring stock adhered with JB weld trick to build the saddle back up. And I'm thinking it would probably aid I smooter feed to have the round sliding on a hard surface rather then a soft one. Is there pictures and description of the GG method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 I am in need of a new carrier for a 1894 Marlin Cowboy limited in 38/357. Old one can't be fixed. Broken. Has anybody out there got one that they would part with? Haven't been able to find one. RBK These may or may not still be in business: Jack First 605-343-9544 Bob's Gun Shop 501-767-1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 If you're still looking, I have a carrier. It is used, was welded where the cam grooved it. I have no idea what it's worth. I was keeping it as a spare. If you can use it, make me an offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted October 16, 2014 Author Share Posted October 16, 2014 These may or may not still be in business: Jack First 605-343-9544 Bob's Gun Shop 501-767-1970 Thanks Cat. Jack First had one, and is being shipped. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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