Pit Bull Tex Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I am looking to find what size moulds I need to get for cap and ball pistols in 44 cal.Are the pietta and the Uberti the same?Don't know what I will find but want the get the moulds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Rose, SASS #45478 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I use .454 in my Pietta Remington replicas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Not all the same. Most of the Italian pistols will work well with .454, as JR said. .454 in my Pietta '51 sheriffs. Ruger Old Armies need .457. All balls or bullets should be pure soft lead - for sure not the hard alloy that most cowboy slugs are cast with. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 .451's in my .44's and .454's in my ROA's. Easier to seat, plenty accurate enough for our game, and the 3 grain difference between .451's and .454's saves me enough lead for a FREE ball every 46 balls I cast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Rick, SASS #49739L Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 My Piettas like the .451. Tried the .454 side by side and found tighter groups with the .451. The same result from 5 guns and 7 cylinders. CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I am looking to find what size moulds I need to get for cap and ball pistols in 44 cal.Are the pietta and the Uberti the same? Why wouldn't 44 cal Pietta & Uberti cylinder throats be the same size? Their both 44 caliber http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1202/2/LEE-454-6C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Kid, if you had looked at the Pietta FAQ's the answer to your question was there ... http://www.pietta.us/faq/index.html What size ball do I use in my revolver ? 31 caliber revolvers use a .322 ball..36 caliber revolvers use a .375 ball..44 caliber revolvers use a .454 ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 .451 or .454 in Pietta .44s .454 in Uberti .44s .454 or .457 in ROAs If you have both Pietta & Uberti 44s, go with .454 for all --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al OVERA, SASS#26238 Life Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Why wouldn't 44 cal Pietta & Uberti cylinder throats be the same size? Their both 44 caliber http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1202/2/LEE-454-6C Bet'cha if you check the bore of the cyls, you won't find two the same. This is especially true of the Piettas'. I ream the cyls of ALL my B/P pistols to insure true size and alignment of the bores. Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 .457 in everything that's 44 cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I have to tell you that I learned the hard way that the size of your balls do matter!!! .350 balls don't stay in the cylinders of an 1851 Navy. They tend to fall out when ya holster the guns!! Right Dawg???? Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Yep, 36 caliber doesn't mean a .36 ball! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 .457 in everything that's 44 cal. This. Takes very little additional effort to seat a pure lead .457 ball in a .454 chamber. Much easier than seating a .454 ball made from wheel weights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 .451 Pietta and colts .454 ROA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Longshot, SASS #44254 Life Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 My 10-year old .44 caliber Pietta '58 Remingtons like .454 balls. Just make sure that you shave a lead ring when you seat the ball in the chamber. That ensures good sealing. Laz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Why wouldn't 44 cal Pietta & Uberti cylinder throats be the same size? Their both 44 caliber http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/1202/2/LEE-454-6C They don't really have throats in the sense that a cartridge gun has throats and they aren't actually .44 caliber. They are true .45s. If you have ever measured Pietta and Uberti cylinders you will find that the Piettas tend to be a couple of thousands smaller than a Uberti and on both the chambers are well below bore size. Some of the the "throats have to be the same as bore size to be accurate" folks get really excited when they find out the chambers are several thousands below bore size. On the last pair of Pietta 1860s I got, for example, the chambers measure .445, well below bore size. I use .451s in them and they are quite accurate. When the soft lead bullet hits the fairly abrupt forcing cones found on C&Bs they bump up. The chambers on a brand new Uberti 1860 I have in the closet measure right at .450. That's why Piettas tend to like .451s and Ubertis tend to like .454s and another reason why only pure lead should be used for C&B bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 My chambers tend toward .447. All of my RB molds throw 454s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Howdy I can use either .451 or .454 balls in my Pietta 1860 Armies. I prefer to use the .454 size because this cuts a slightly longer cylindrical section onto the ball. I like the slightly longer cylindrical section as added insurance against a chain fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Interesting to see Pietta now recommends .454. 20 Plus years ago when I bought my first Cabela's 1858 remmie (Pietta) the literature stated .451 balls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 My Uberti 36 Navy Has throats of .3723 for 5 and .3724 on one, and the bore measures .3720 this makes for a "Hard-Shooting" extremely accurate gun . And I use .375 balls in it , it shoots better groups at 75 yards than my Pietta does at 7 yards and gets 150 fps more velocity than the Pietta does using the same powder charge. A ball seated in the largest chamber mouth of the Pietta is 13 1/2 thousands of an inch smaller than the bore and rattles down it on the way to the target. Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pit Bull Tex Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 I guess I might just get 2 moulds.One .457 and a .454.I ordered some pure lead today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc McCoy, SASS #8381 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 .454 in my Uberti guns. Works fine in all of them, several 1860s and a pair of Walkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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