irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 The shooting sequence, round count etc. doesn't matter. The last guns to be shot are the pistols. Shooter pulls first pistol, using two hands shoots it dry. Lays the gun down on the table, pulls the second pistol, shoots it dry. Holsters the second and then picks up the first pistol and holsters it. Gets his long guns heads to the ULT. I ask him about it doing that as being illegal. As in gun leaving the control of the shooter. He says he was told he can do that, legally, as long as the pistols are the last to be shot. I know you don't have to holster the first pistol in a shooting string if your shooting dualist and hand the gun off to your weak hand. As long as you holster it before moving onto the next gun or completing the stage. I'm on the side of a minor safety but then again!!! Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 NEXT SHOOTER.... see "gun safe to leave shooter's hand" and Definition of a competed string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I say clean unless you can show a rule that says otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 No call. They have to be returned to holster at the end of the shooting string. Don't even have to be last shot. He could do it and then pick em up and holster both prior to shootingthe next gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 NEXT SHOOTER.... see "gun safe to leave shooter's hand" and Definition of a competed string. +1 He holstered pistols at the end of the pistol completed pistol string. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Doesn't matter what shooting style the shooter is using...it's a LEGAL move. Why would a two-handed shooter be treated differently than a Duelist?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Hi Ike, Like others have said, reread the rule. (p. 12 ROI "Revolvers are returned to leather after the shooting string." It is legal. The pistols must be holstered at the end of the string for that type of gun. It would be illegal if the rifle or SG was shot between the two pistols. No matter if it is last gun or not. It just wouldn't be as efficient in the middle of the stage as the gun would still be holstered on the clock. The first time I saw it, most of the posse was rather shocked. Then, without any argument realized it was okay. Regards, Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Guess PW is home today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm busy typing. " this should be unaminous..." and guess who pops in with a thread-killing remark? ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Yup. It's something I sometimes intend to do but because of muscle memory, the gun usually goes to leather anyway. Fillmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumblin Tom Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Minor Safety RO1 page 13 number 7 Revolvers are returned to leather after the shooting string. page 15 number 6 Revolvers are returned to leather (re-holstered) with hammer down on a spent case or empty chamber at the conclusion of the shooting string, unless the stage description specifically directs otherwise; e.g., "move to next position and set gun on table or prop." A shooting string is defined as shots from one type of firearm prior to the next type of firearm engaged. (Gunfighters may choose to shoot five rounds, safely stage their loaded revolvers, hammer down on a spent cartridge, shoot another firearm, retrieve the revolvers, and finish the "shooting string" before re-holstering.) Sorry my bad Reading into it to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Doesn't matter what shooting style the shooter is using...it's a LEGAL move. Why would a two-handed shooter be treated differently than a Duelist?? Well, because duelist is coolest, of course! I knew it is legal from a discussion about it at WR a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Guess PW is home today... Waiting for the electrician or someone like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I know what you are doing (saw on FB) and hope everything goes smoothly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckhorn Bud Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Minor Safety (incorrect according to your quote) RO1 page 13 number 7 Revolvers are returned to leather after the shooting string. page 15 number 6 Revolvers are returned to leather (re-holstered) with hammer down on a spent case or empty chamber at the conclusion of the shooting string, unless the stage description specifically directs otherwise; e.g., "move to next position and set gun on table or prop." A shooting string is defined as shots from one type of firearm prior to the next type of firearm engaged. (Gunfighters may choose to shoot five rounds, safely stage their loaded revolvers, hammer down on a spent cartridge, shoot another firearm, retrieve the revolvers, and finish the "shooting string" before re-holstering.) Sorry my bad Reading into it to much. Legal move. No call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thanks everyone. It just didn't look right. Me and the shooter had a good conversation about it. He also thought it was illegal until someone walked him through the rules. Good to know. IKe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc McCoy, SASS #8381 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 It only becomes a problem when stage writers say "With first pistol engage targets in ... order, holster. With second pistol engage targets..." I quit writing them like that but some writers still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying W Ramrod Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 It only becomes a problem when stage writers say "With first pistol engage targets in ... order, holster. With second pistol engage targets..." I quit writing them like that but some writers still do. But those statements are null and void if shooting gunfighter, so why not all other categories, since the "why would you treat a two handed shooter different than a duelist" should apply? Sheesh, let the shooter decide, and take the consequences. Don't overwrite the scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc McCoy, SASS #8381 Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 But those statements are null and void if shooting gunfighter, so why not all other categories, since the "why would you treat a two handed shooter different than a duelist" should apply? Sheesh, let the shooter decide, and take the consequences. Don't overwrite the scenarios. Right, it's pointless. I shoot Frontiersman in double duelist style and frequently don't reholster my first pistol immediately. That stage writing is really just an old habit for those writers. They don't call me on it because the posse knows the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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