English Bob Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Looking to get into the long range shooting. Anyone looking to sell an appropriate rifle? Let me know full spec, and price you are asking. Local to Austin TX would be great so I can check it out first, but not necessary. English Bob
Wolfgang, SASS #53480 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Hi English Bob . . . . if you do not already do so . . . . you might want to visit the "Billy Dixon Long Range Shooting Society" over here : http://www.theopenrange.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1ddc230b426e2c51b2d98c927750b589&board=8.0 OOOppppssss . . . . . I hadn't visited there in quit a while . . . and I do not see any recent activity at all ?
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 What do you call "long range"? We shoot BPCR rifles out to 1K yards. 600+ yrds are the norm where I live. LG
Caco SASS#33894 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Had the same idea a few years back. Bought a 45-70 Pedersoli Sharps target rifle-think that's what it's called and a long range soule sight set up. Never got it together and rifle has never been shot. Think the barrel is about 34 in long oct to round and the rifle weighs 12 er 13 lbs. Should have boxes an all tucked away-Gun down in safe. PM you. Caco
English Bob Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Long range is anything 100-200 yards and up in this game I am not really interested in shooting out to 1000 yards and don't want to spend a fortune on another gun when I just dropped a significant amount to get into this game in the first place, so right now even a 30-30 Marlin with a longer barrel would be of interest
Wolfgang, SASS #53480 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Clarification helps. You are referring to shooting "Cowboy Long Range" . . . not LONG RANGE ( ie. 1,000 yard long range. )
Michigan Slim Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Here is a rough breakdown of Paradise Pass long range, all +/- a few yards: Match Pistol: 75 yds, six shots Match Rifle: 75,100, 125 yds, 12 shots .22 rifle: Same as match rifle. Big bore lever: (.30-30 on up) 200-300 yds, 6 shots on a full size steel buffalo. Big bore single shot: Same as bb lever. I shoot the main match just to shoot long range! LOl My favorite.
Texas Lizard Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Long range is anything 100-200 yards and up in this game I am not really interested in shooting out to 1000 yards and don't want to spend a fortune on another gun when I just dropped a significant amount to get into this game in the first place, so right now even a 30-30 Marlin with a longer barrel would be of interest Single shoot, Handie 45-70...And priced to buy...They are less expense and easy to use... Texas Lizard
El Mulo Vaquero, SASS #55942 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Just to throw it out there, I have a NEW Shiloh Sharps, 45-70, Hartford with military butt and patchbox, 34" barrel. This is basically the same as the Quigley model--without someones initial's engraved. No two year wait. PM for details.
English Bob Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Single shoot, Handie 45-70...And priced to buy...They are less expense and easy to use... Texas Lizard Can't see anything on their web site that looks the part, however…..
English Bob Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 For those who do the cowboy long range, would appreciate advice on caliber too. Looks like the 38-55 and 45-70 is a VERY expensive caliber to shoot, not to mention the fact that it seems almost impossible to get either factory ammo or brass. Fair observation right now? So would I be better to stick to 30-30 and not expect to shoot beyond 200 yards?
Texas Lizard Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Can't see anything on their web site that looks the part, however….. H & R Handie 45-70...Google it...Its there, just did it... Texas Lizard
Butch McGie, SASS#71758 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Don't sell the 30 30 short as far as ringing steel at a distance. I was repeatedly hitting a propane tank target at 400 yds down in Arizona. May not have had enuff energy to do in a chipmunk but it did make the steel ring. Last I calculated, I can reload the 3855 and 4570 for around a quarter each. Similar for the 30 30.
English Bob Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 H & R Handie 45-70...Google it...Its there, just did it... Texas Lizard Wow, condescending much?!!! I know how to use Google, dude. But did you READ what I wrote?
English Bob Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 Don't sell the 30 30 short as far as ringing steel at a distance. I was repeatedly hitting a propane tank target at 400 yds down in Arizona. May not have had enuff energy to do in a chipmunk but it did make the steel ring. Last I calculated, I can reload the 3855 and 4570 for around a quarter each. Similar for the 30 30. Thanks for the info on 30-30 - ringing steel is just fine. Chipmunks are not on the menu (unless running in front of the steel at the wrong time!) Assume the reload costs you quote there are if I already have brass? Which I don't….
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 In SASS long range, the .45-70 would do very well. It would also do you well in real long range shoots. .45-70 is very easy to reload and everydangbody has bullets for it. That Shiloh that was offered would be a dang good rifle. I own one just like it, and with BP loads it will put'em where you aim. LG
Texas Lizard Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Wow, condescending much?!!! I know how to use Google, dude. But did you READ what I wrote? If you don't find one of what you looking for go to gunbroker...My job is to give ideas on where to look for what are asking... TL
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Find out the max range you'll be shooting at your local clubs or matches you plan to visit. In my part of the country we typically shoot 200 yards with one club having a 300 yard range. I use a browning 1885 sporter 45-70 with some success. If I were shooting 500-600 I'd be using a different rifle.
Al OVERA, SASS#26238 Life Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Looking to get into the long range shooting. Anyone looking to sell an appropriate rifle? Let me know full spec, and price you are asking. Local to Austin TX would be great so I can check it out first, but not necessary. English Bob Some folks have suggested the Handi in 45-70, while this is a viable rifle at a reasonable price (mostly) the sights are not SASS legal and putting some that are, is eas expensive as the rifle. This, plus the fact that it is a very light rifle, it WILL kick the snot outta' you. Experience talking here. Al
English Bob Posted February 24, 2014 Author Posted February 24, 2014 I REALLY want that Shiloh Sharps….. really, really, really…. But I think it is too much gun for me right now…. didn't want to spend that much. Got myself a sweet deal on a 38-55 from Bridger! Also someone interested in trading a Marlin 30-30 for one of my AR15s Some great advice from you guys - thanks so much
Rex M Rugers #6621 Posted February 24, 2014 Posted February 24, 2014 Well , Pard , not a Marlin , but I do have a nice 24" barreled Winchester Model 94 in 30-30. PM me if interested. Rex
Tater Head Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 At our club we shoot big bore single shot out to 500 yards. The Pederosoli Sharps or Rolling Blocks (45/70) will get you their and more with proper sights. My Ped. Sharps has won are placed in several state SASS matches. Big bore lever out to 400. My Marlin 1895 45/70 has won and or placed in several SASS state matches. Pistol Caliber out to 200. Pistol caliber at our club is won with most of the rifles we shoot in cowboy competetion. Hammered .22 out to 200 yards. Henry's, Winchesters, Rossi pumps all seem to do well. What ever you decide on be sure to buy the best sights you can afford. Make sure they are adjustable for both windage & elevation. I use a Lee Shaver's Soule sight on my Pederosoli and Marbles on my Marlin. Both are good sights. Good luck and have fun. I've found the long range matches highly addictive. Tater PS The 45/70 is easy to load and components are found every where.
Pancho Peacemaker Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 I have a Pedersoli Trapdoor Rifle in 45-70 that I'd be willing to sell. This is the Trapdoor Infantry Rifle with the 32.5" barrel (not to be confused with the more common Trapdoor carbine). If you are looking to portray a historic military persona, this was the commonly issued infantry rifle through the 1870's and saw loads of action during the Indian Wars. It is in excellent condition with less than 100 round through it. I have shot it out to 500 yards with good success. It has a custom, period correct leather infantry sling made by Jarnagin Co. This is a link to the rifle on the Pedersoli site: http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda-prodotto.asp/l_en/idpr_224/rifles-springfield-trapdoor-springfield-trapdoor-rifle.html PM me if you have an interest in this rifle and we can talk price. It will need to ship to an FFL or we can arrange a FTF sale if you are in the DFW area. Pancho
Litl Red Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 If you can find one, consider 40-65. Less recoil than a 45-70. Better ballistics. The heaviest bullets are usually 400 gr. They start faster and with better ballistic coefficient, end up faster than the usual 45-70s. They're worth considering.
Chili Ron Posted February 25, 2014 Posted February 25, 2014 Howdy, At one time not so long ago I was looking around for some kind of longer range rifle. The 45-70, was a top contender but around here 1000 yards is very rare. BEFORE you buy anything you might want to check around what matches are held and and what rifles win or place at those matches. I considered a Winchester commorative with a long barrel in 30-30 but gave up due to lack of places to shoot, lack of actual side matches etc. I still have a 44 mag lever that could be used out a ways. You might be surprised how easy a full load 357 can reach out and touch a target. AND be sure whatever you get is legal under local or SASS rules. The list of guns that are almost legal is very long. Best CR
English Bob Posted February 25, 2014 Author Posted February 25, 2014 I have a Pedersoli Trapdoor Rifle in 45-70 that I'd be willing to sell. This is the Trapdoor Infantry Rifle with the 32.5" barrel (not to be confused with the more common Trapdoor carbine). If you are looking to portray a historic military persona, this was the commonly issued infantry rifle through the 1870's and saw loads of action during the Indian Wars. It is in excellent condition with less than 100 round through it. I have shot it out to 500 yards with good success. It has a custom, period correct leather infantry sling made by Jarnagin Co. This is a link to the rifle on the Pedersoli site: http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda-prodotto.asp/l_en/idpr_224/rifles-springfield-trapdoor-springfield-trapdoor-rifle.html PM me if you have an interest in this rifle and we can talk price. It will need to ship to an FFL or we can arrange a FTF sale if you are in the DFW area. Pancho Pancho, Thanks for the info - quick "legal" question to you (and others will weigh in I am sure). I thought you could ship a long gun directly to the purchaser if it was in the same state, no FFL required (I am in Austin TX)? Bob
Manassas Jack Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Hi Bob, I have a 45-70 Pedersoli Sharps Frontieer (single trigger 28" barrel) octogon barrel for sale. And I will throw in some brass and lead $800.00 firm I am in Houston and can meet you in between if you are interested.
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 I use a Pedersoili Rolling Block 45/70 . Love love love . Any target and at any range .
Pancho Peacemaker Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 Pancho, Thanks for the info - quick "legal" question to you (and others will weigh in I am sure). I thought you could ship a long gun directly to the purchaser if it was in the same state, no FFL required (I am in Austin TX)? Bob I believe that is correct. I have a friend that is an FFL, so I have him ship guns for me (on my dime). I've found even when shipping a firearm legally, a non-FFL individual can get some hassle at the UPS shipping desk.
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 If all your interested in are SASS side matches then long range has a very different meaning. I've seen 65 to 300 yards. But most I've seen are around 200 yards. I haven't seen any SASS side match separate black powder from smokeless in very long time. Most are timed. Most hits in the shortest amount of time. So something that let's you load and get the empty out as fast as possible. Shooting positions vary. Prone to standing allowed. Get yourself some shooting sticks. All of the calibers mentioned here are great out to 400 yards. Beyond that you start getting into heavy bullets and bigger cases. 45/90. I shoot from a 405 to 535 grain bullet out of my Pedersoli sharps. Depends on distance. A 45/70 will hit 1000 yes if you do your job. And sights do make the difference. As mentioned check the matches you might attend and get a sense of what they offer. That should effect your choice. I've seen many shooters start cheap with poor quality sights and then regret it. Ike
Mack Hacker, #60477 Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 I have a very nice 30" Uberti 73 replica, in 45Colt, that is a lot of fun ringing steel at 100 yds, even with my old eyes. If Long Range, pistol caliber is available at your range, it might be a great choice.
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 If you can find one, consider 40-65. Less recoil than a 45-70. Better ballistics. The heaviest bullets are usually 400 gr. They start faster and with better ballistic coefficient, end up faster than the usual 45-70s. They're worth considering. The 65 ain't much for fly'n in the cross winds But a fun round to shoot. LG
English Bob Posted February 26, 2014 Author Posted February 26, 2014 Thanks to all for the advice and info, and also offers of guns for sale. I had quite a few folks PM me and then not reply to my requests for prices, pics, etc. Not sure if those requests never got through, but if you were wanting to sell me a gun and you have not heard back from me please check your PMs English Bob
Litl Red Posted February 26, 2014 Posted February 26, 2014 The 65 ain't much for fly'n in the cross winds But a fun round to shoot. LG Don't tell my 40-65 rifles that. You often hear that old wives' tale, but shooting a 400gr 40-65 will give you an appreciation of why old wives tales are so often to your benefit to ignore. Almost every time I've shot decently long matches I've heard that from some shooters. I always wondered if the old wives were setting up an excuse for why they will probably lose. And I've always wondered why it matters since it's never been against the rules to judge the wind and compensate, and a 400gr 40 caliber bullet often gives away nothing to the bullets a lot of 45-70 shooters use. Over here on the east coast, the wind pushes most 400/40-65s less than it pushes 405/45-70s. Good thing is that both shooters get to hold or adjust however much they think they should. When the real buffalo calibers show up, same deal. Hold or adjust however much or little is needed. The difference in drift really is less than you can accurately judge without a scope, anyway.
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