Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 4,469 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Simple question. Do you allow mechanical and ammo related reshoots at your monthly matches? If so do you set a limit per shooter? The goal of this thread is just to gather info. Not to debate whether it's right or wrong. But I doubt that's not gonna happen.LOL Link to post Share on other sites
Grizzly Dave 972 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I'm not saying it hasn't happened at a monthly match I've been at, but I sure don't remember it happening. Link to post Share on other sites
Rance - SASS # 54090 322 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Seems around here.. If you've been shootin' a while.. It's kind of a no alibi match.. No reshoots... New shooter... give 'em a break... Give 'em a reshoot.. Rance Thinkin' it's been a while since we've had a match Thinkin' I remember right Link to post Share on other sites
Michigan Slim 11,528 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I don't get the option!!!! LOL. New/young shooter -absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites
WOODFOX , sass#34179 68 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 We usually allow reshoots although some shooters take them and some don't . If a shooter continues with problems someone offers them a gun to barrow . we try to help all thats what keeps them coming back. Woodfox Link to post Share on other sites
Anvil Al #59168 337 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Most don't. Maybe if only one posse and no one has a problem with letting them. Maybe Two or more posse's. NO. Seen problems when one posse allowed it and the other did not. Then comes in. How bad a malfunction does it need to be to get one. Some will play that one up even if they could get going and finish. Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Wheeler 1,684 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Most of the clubs that I shoot with, allow "courtesy re-shoots" at the monthly matches for either ammo or firearm malfunction. one per stage, two per match. Link to post Share on other sites
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 3,065 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Only for a new CAS shooter's first or second time out. Getting their guns and ammo right is harder than most of them can believe until they have shot a few times. Others - oh, well, better luck next match. Now, if we're not keeping score and just practicing, that is a whole different story. Good luck, GJ Link to post Share on other sites
Appalachian Alan 12 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 We allow one reshoot due to ammo/gun malfunction at our monthlies. Link to post Share on other sites
Widder, SASS #59054 8,309 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Reshoots: YES.....based on gun/ammo malfunction ONE per match ..........Widder Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Walt. 92206 7 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 A couple of the clubs I shoot at do give them for mechanical/ammo failure. One thing that I would like to see done in the event of a reshoot is that all misses carry over. I saw a person get a reshoot once. He had three misses until the mechanical failure, and then shot the reshoot clean, and got the clean. I am still fairly new, and still learning, but somehow they should get the misses that they earn. Link to post Share on other sites
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 935 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Around here, 1 re-shoot for mechanical/ammo problem. Most don't, and accept outcome. MT Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Bill Burt 3,446 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Reshoots are sometimes allowed at a couple of local clubs depending upon the PM and the shooter. This can lead to issues since it isn't consistent. For example, not to long ago my 8 year old Buckaroo had a train wreck on his first stage of the day and was offered a reshoot by the PM (neither of us asked for it). He subsequently shot the stage clean. Shortly afterward the PM informed me that he had changed his mind about the reshoot saying it wouldn't be fair to the other shooters. At this point the Buckaroo has shot clean through 3 stages and I found myself hoping for a miss so I wouldn't have to tell him that he had no chance at a clean match. No luck, he finished clean and I had to go to the MD and explain what had happened and that my son would be expecting a clean match. The MD, much to my relief, gave him a clean match award. I think it needs to be a club policy and must be published. I disagree with those who occasionally hand them out based on specific issues like age or experience of the shooter. It should be either a no alibi match or not, but not back and forth. Link to post Share on other sites
Arcadia Outlaw SASS#71385 101 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 There is only one club that I know of around here that gives reshoots for gun or ammo problems out of the half dozen clubs I shoot at. AO Link to post Share on other sites
Hoss 1,412 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 We will give a new shooter a break, and let them start over. My very first match, 2nd stage, borrowed shotgun maffunctioned. 1 barrel would not shoot. Another shooter broght me his shotgun to the line, exchanged them, and I continued on. We once had a match where 3 shooters had a mechanical problem with first gun, after a couple of rounds downrange. first 2 the TO told them to start over. then TO changed, and same thing happened to the 3rd shooter with a problem. TO told him it was a no alibi match. He said OK, but was a little miffed about it. Consistancy is the key. Link to post Share on other sites
Snakebite 1,672 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Deuce: I shoot mainly at four different clubs. One of the clubs allows the shooter (one) re-shoot/re-start for a mechanical/ammo problem. The other three do not. The club that allows it is a One-man operation, and even though he basically follows the SASS rules, he makes all decisions on his range. When I attend his shoot I just put on the Chicken Suit and scratch with everyone else. I've never NOT had a great time at his matches. You know what they say........."when in Rome...." Snakebite Link to post Share on other sites
Anvil Al #59168 337 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 IF it is going to be done as some are One Per Match. It SOULD BE announced EVERY TIME at the safety meeting. That way you don't have one posse doing it and another not. Otherwise. It is just not fair. Sure. Monthly may be just a monthly practice match for some of us. But could be the biggest match that others go to all year. Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Coroner 205 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Hi Deuce, None of the clubs I shoot at allow this. Dutch Link to post Share on other sites
Buffalo Dick, SASS #12880 47 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Most of the clubs that I shoot with, allow "courtesy re-shoots" at the monthly matches for either ammo or firearm malfunction. one per stage, two per match. To expand, most of the clubs in central and southern Ohio follow this rule at monthlies for ammo or mechanical problems only. A brain fart doesn't qualify. The rule is always announced at the safety meeting and evenly applied. As Dutch said, one per stage and two per match limits. Wild Bunch is different, once a round has gone down range "no alibi." Link to post Share on other sites
Jefro, SASS#69420 433 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Only for a new CAS shooter's first or second time out. Getting their guns and ammo right is harder than most of them can believe until they have shot a few times. Others - oh, well, better luck next match. Now, if we're not keeping score and just practicing, that is a whole different story. Good luck, GJ What GJ said, mostly.......nope. Good Luck Jefro Relax-Enjoy Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 4,469 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Share Posted February 7, 2014 Thanks for the replies so far folks. Keep them coming. Link to post Share on other sites
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 2,151 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 At the clubs in this area the answer is no. Most announce at the beginning of the match that SASS rules apply. And no, that doesn't mean the "clubs can do anything they want 'rule.'" Link to post Share on other sites
Double Barrel, SASS 34765 50 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 We allow one re-shoot for mechanical / ammo malfunctions. Some will take it, some don't. Some give the ones that take one a hard time until they have a problem and want to take one, then a re-shoot is ok. Double Barrel Link to post Share on other sites
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 265 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yes. Never felt we needed a limit as I've never seen it abused. Link to post Share on other sites
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 5,410 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Some of the local clubs hereabouts allow ONE reshoot for a mechanical malfunction per match. NOT for ammo problems (e.g. squibs or split case issues) Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Whiskers 246 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 We allow re-shoots at our monthly matches if it's the 1st firearm or a new or fairly new shooter. Few take them, but the new shooters are usually very grateful for the chance to try and fix a train wreck. Link to post Share on other sites
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 14 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I have 2 clubs within 20 minutes of my house. One does, the other doesn't, generally speaking. New shooters are always cut some slack at both clubs. Fillmore Link to post Share on other sites
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 105 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Simple question. Do you allow mechanical and ammo related reshoots at your monthly matches? If so do you set a limit per shooter? The goal of this thread is just to gather info. Not to debate whether it's right or wrong. But I doubt that's not gonna happen.LOL I do not remember it happening to any experienced shooter but seen new shooters get reshoots where they had ammo or gun issues. Link to post Share on other sites
Marshal Too Tall, SASS #36690 8 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 We allow 1 reshoot per match for ammo/gun malfunctions. I tried to get our club to eliminate ammo/gun reshoots and shoot by SASS rules but got voted down. I don't mind giving new shooters a reshoot but not for experienced shooters. Depending on how many reshoots a top shooter gets could greatly alter the end of the year awards. …Too Tall... Link to post Share on other sites
Pit Bull Tex 170 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 delete Link to post Share on other sites
Cheatin' Chamberlin 45 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 We do allow reshoots at our monthly matches. We really have not had a issue with people abusing it. So we have not put a limit on it. It probably is not a bad idea to put a limit on it just for that reason. The monthly match is about fun and promoting the sport. We do let the shooters know that a reshoot is not given at the state level and above. Cheatin' Link to post Share on other sites
rustyfinger 22618 0 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Deuce, local shoots yes by all means give the reshoot one per match if the the person as issues there are enough cowboys to help them out with firearms or ammo its just a game helping out someone is what we do. Rusty Link to post Share on other sites
Attica Jack #23953 246 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 No need to put a limit on "Reshoots." Just follow SASS rules, and only allow reshoots on those reasons.....period. Not because he or she is your pard. Just follow the rules. On a new shooter, you can give them a break. Link to post Share on other sites
Creeker, SASS #43022 2,943 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yes - at a MONTHLY (and {most importantly} making sure the shooter understands this is a courtesy re shoot - not what is the norm nor should re shoots ever be expected) We will offer a single re shoot for gun/ ammo/ mechanical issues. None for shooter error. Most shooters decline the offer. In my opinion - Providing the shooter with the best possible experience outweighs the possibility of a shooters position changing. If there is a 2nd occurrence within the match - generally the shooter will be offered different equipment and ammo. Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy Junky 749 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yep, we limit re-shoots for mechanicals failures one per match. Link to post Share on other sites
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