Noz Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 I had a birthday and looked to move up to a better category only to find that SASS does not recognize any categories over Elder Statesman. I thought there was a Land Baron and then a Patron?
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Perhaps you and I need a Geezer Frontiersman category...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Hey, when you shoot regularly with Split Rail, you invent geezer frontiersman categories, just so you can get a blue ribbon now and then. Ohio Cheatin' Charlie & me figure that Senior Frontiersman & Silver Senior Frontiersman categories are in order! --Dawg
Noz Posted January 25, 2014 Author Posted January 25, 2014 Yeah but I'm wanting the Land Baron Frontiersman. J-Bar, I thought that "Geezer" was a personality description rather than a category. I know Cheatin Charlie. He's not that good. I beat him at poker at Possum Trot.
Red-Eyed Kid, SASS # 37263 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 There is "cattle baron".......75 years and older.
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Personally, I'm holding out for Greying Buckskin Curmudgeon
Noz Posted January 25, 2014 Author Posted January 25, 2014 There is "cattle baron".......75 years and older. Not in the new SASS handbook
Mike Fink, SASS #29047 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Hey Dawg: I'm a Geezer Frontiersman! Have been for a long time. lol Mike (the) Fink
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 Hey Mike: Hope yer staying warm up Michigan way. I resemble that category name! See you in the Spring --Dawg
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 25, 2014 Posted January 25, 2014 J-Bar, I thought that "Geezer" was a personality description rather than a category. If the shoe fits...both of us, prolly.
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 The more advanced/experienced "age based" categories have been relegated to the same status as FCGF, Senior GF, and many others... i.e. not enough support from the clubs (as represented by their Territorial Governors) to get them "officially recognized". There are basically two camps in opposition to their recognition: Those who habitually give the issues the "kiss of death" by pointing out that any match at any level of competition may offer whatever additional categories they wish... and those who are adamant regarding NO NEW CATEGORIES!
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 The more advanced/experienced "age based" categories have been relegated to the same status as FCGF, Senior GF, and many others... i.e. not enough support from the clubs (as represented by their Territorial Governors) to get them "officially recognized". There are basically two camps in opposition to their recognition: Those who habitually give the issues the "kiss of death" by pointing out that any match at any level of competition may offer whatever additional categories they wish... and those who are adamant regarding NO NEW CATEGORIES! That pretty well covers the spectrum.
Cheatin Charlie Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Yeah but I'm wanting the Land Baron Frontiersman. J-Bar, I thought that "Geezer" was a personality description rather than a category. I know Cheatin Charlie. He's not that good. I beat him at poker at Possum Trot. I am amazed you were sober enough to remember!
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Winter Range is offering cattle baron category, come on, let's shoot!! Lafitte
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 I'm for doing away with all current categories and assign categories on height or weight
Cheatin' Chamberlin Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 I'm for doing away with all current categories and assign categories on height or weight +1
kevo Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 I'm thinkin' if categories were actually for your shootin' ability, I'd end up in the "Side of Barn " category. ! Or, if the category were for your speed, I'd be in the "Asprin" category, ie 'slow movin' dope'
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 I'm for doing away with all current categories and assign categories on height or weight We also need to handicap it based on personality, amount of facial hair, and hair length.
Tucker McNeely Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 How about a five or ten second bonus per stage if you wear " Levi's"?
Noz Posted January 26, 2014 Author Posted January 26, 2014 I am amazed you were sober enough to remember! I think fondly about that match often. One posse with 9 Frontiersmen, #1 in the world and 3 morre in the top 10 in the world. Only one smokeless shooter on the posse and that was Buck D Law. Gallons of Copperhead Juice, keg of beer on the porch and piles of excellent food. I still dream of the fish fry. Poker at night and then "Milkbone". Of all the posse photos I have purchased, that is the only one on our wall. It's enclosed in the picture frame Miss Lorrie got for SOG. Good times! No matter where my birthday throws me, I'll be shooting Frontiersman for the forseeable future.
Red-Eyed Kid, SASS # 37263 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 OK, guess I was wrong, I was led to believe that cattle baron became an official catagory after 2013 EOT. Learn something every day......
Snakebite Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Needless to say the older we get the more aware we become of the need for categories that are more representative of our age group. We have a age based representative system in the Smokeless categories, but even that could use some adjustment. However, the Black Powder categories have no such accommodations. I've been shooting FC for a long time and am well into the Silver Senior age group. It's reached the point that I am shooting against guys who are somewhere between my grandkids and kids ages. I of course do the best that I can, but it's getting more and more difficult to bare the expense to attend the large matches that do not offer the consideration of a Age Based FC category. If there are enough shooters to provide a viable Age based category, then they should be offered. For years, I've heard the same old broken record "The MD can add any category that he/she wants"....bbummmped, "The MD can add any category that he/she wants"...bbummmped, etc, etc, etc. Well, until the system makes those categories "OFFICIAL", it ain't-a-gonna-happen! AND, they will not become "Official" unless enough pressure is applied. The most likely place that pressure can come from is the Older group of shooters. The problem does not affect the younger shooters, so it will never be a priority with them.... at least not for years to come, and by then it will be too late for most of us, and they will face the same issue. Snakebite
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Handsome-dude; well dressed; debonaire charm; acid whit; 4 3/4 orig hammer Colt; pipe smokin; skirt chasin; sans-Wranglers; '78 Colt damascus; batchelor; Classic Cowboy over 55 category. Make it a 2 fisted silver/ gold buckle please with 'World Champion" on it or I'll pack my truck and never come back. I know you're gonna regret missin' me....
Calico Mary Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Ifn' ya wanna win that category BK darlin'...they's gonna hafta take out the words "handsome" and "charm"..... :P
Snakebite Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Well BK pard.... I hear ya, If that category you mention had a really large line of shooters wanting it, then it ought to be considered. I'm not lamented as much as you let on, I've been on top a few times and I haven't rolled over yet, but that don't mean I wouldn't relish a race against my peers. Snakebite
Prof. Fuller Bullspit Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Categories should be determined by things like shooting style, powder, gun restrictions etc. once the categories are set it is possible to provide an age based division that is flexible depending on match size and such. I refer you to the sample system near the bottom of this page. http://bullspit.us/?p=32
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Categories should be determined by things like shooting style, powder, gun restrictions etc. once the categories are set it is possible to provide an age based division that is flexible depending on match size and such. I refer you to the sample system near the bottom of this page. http://bullspit.us/?p=32 I agree, Prof. Bullspit's Matrix is the way to go. Main categories by shooting style and propellant, along with the Jr., costumes etc. = 20 baseline categories to be subdidvided depending on the match and number of shooters. Good job Prof. Jefro Relax-Enjoy
Diamond S Doug Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 There is "cattle baron".......75 years and older. Around here we use Range Boss because Cattle Baron and Cowboy would have the same abbreviation
El Muerto Negro Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 I agree, Prof. Bullspit's Matrix is the way to go. Main categories by shooting style and propellant, along with the Jr., costumes etc. = 20 baseline categories to be subdidvided depending on the match and number of shooters. Good job Prof. Jefro Relax-Enjoy +1
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 When all y'all rocket surgeons are ready to take the badazzes out of every single category then give them an open category to compete in for some hi end prizes, money, fortune, fame, sponors, etc. Every single other sport on this planet has both an amateur and/ or a open/pro division. Hey, it works and it would totally do away with this SASS Ball mentality. The Professor's matrix is the only road out of this dilapidated, outdated, rube-Goldberg, crisis designed, patchworked monstrosity. The Age Based system made it even worse than it was before. HELLO WILD BUNCH!!!!! Quit looking at my Wrangler BUTT and get to work on a single rule book and a category/class/ open system that doesn't run our successful young shooters off into lessor shooting disciplines. Let's throw this bum out and start over. From IDPA to IPSC to NSCA at least the rule books don't require 4 links and the passcode to the secret bunker. If you're not willing to blow up the model every generation you'll end up like Scientific Research (slide rule) and KODAK (who thought digital wasn't commercial as film or XEROX (what do you mean 'don't print it'?)
Most Wanted Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Some shoots will drop SASS recognized classes if there are not enough shooters for that class (usually 3)and some shoots will recognize non SASS classes if there are enough shooters so I don't see the point of petitioning SASS for any more "official" classes .
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Some shoots will drop SASS recognized classes if there are not enough shooters for that class (usually 3)and some shoots will recognize non SASS classes categories if there are enough shooters so I don't see the point of petitioning SASS for any more "official" classes . How does a shoot "get enough shooters" for an 'unofficial category' if it's not even offered on the match application in the first place because it's not "officially recognized"??
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 How does a shoot "get enough shooters" for an 'unofficial category' if it's not even offered on the match application in the first place because it's not "officially recognized"?? Good question. Write it in maybe?
Jackalope Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 I am amazed you were sober enough to remember! I am amazed I was sober enough to remember it, too. Jackalope Jedi Gunfighter Lucky #7 Champeen of the Hillbilly Nation 2010, 2011
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