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When is the TG vote on agenda items??

Was thinking it was yesterday. So we should know how it went.

 

But I could be wrong and the vote might be today.

 

Hope they let us know ASAP.

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something will be posted tonight by Chuckaroo.

 

KK

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Voting is done and tallied. Chuckaroo will post results later .

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Voting is done and tallied. Chuckaroo will post results later .

 

Roo says projected posting is around "dinner time"...whenever that is.

 

;)

 

(I s'pose it depends on where ya live & which meal ya call "dinner")

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Thanks.

Look forward to seeing how things shaped up.

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"dinner time"...whenever that is.

 

;)

 

(I s'pose it depends on where ya live & which meal ya call "dinner")

Shouldn't there be a ruling on that? What's the Call? :ph34r: MT

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Shouldn't there be a ruling on that? What's the Call? :ph34r: MT

I agree........What's the Call?? .......Supper or Dinner??....... :huh:

 

J :ph34r: R-E

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Shouldn't there be a ruling on that? What's the Call? :ph34r: MT

 

Regional/local club rules generally prevail...this oughta give y'all something to fret about until this evening's news:

:P

7:00 AM - First meal of the day = Breakfast

9:30 AM - Mid-morning "lite" = Brunch

Noon - Mid-day = Lunch (except on weekends/holidays, then it's Dinner)

6:00 PM Evening meal = Supper or Dinner (unless one has breakfast food; then it's Breakfast again)

7:00 PM Friday = Pizza night

(times approximate)

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Regional/local club rules generally prevail...this oughta give y'all something to fret about until this evening's news:

:P

7:00 AM - First meal of the day = Breakfast

9:30 AM - Mid-morning "lite" = Brunch

Noon - Mid-day = Lunch (except on weekends/holidays, then it's Dinner)

6:00 PM Evening meal = Supper or Dinner (unless one has breakfast food; then it's Breakfast again)

7:00 PM Friday = Pizza night

(times approximate)

Good One :D

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correction:

Dinner @ Mom's is usually around 2:00 - 3:00 on holidays.

 

BTW - the minutes have been posted on the TG Wire.

This mealtime discussion is no longer relevant.

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Eastern, Central, Mountain or Pacific time?

 

My understanding is that ifn you live EST and wear Wranglers, it will be around 8:00 ish.

 

ifn you live CST and wear Levis, it will be around 7:00 ish

 

But ifn you live Pacific time, and promote the Baptist category, it will be around 6:00 ish.

 

 

Whats the Call?

 

 

..........Widder

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Voting results that I heard are:

1) Yes

2) No

3) Yes

4) Yes


1)
If the lever closes on a long gun after it is set down open, should
there be a "no call" if it is, in fact empty, or a penalty if a spent
case or round is ejected? If the gun closes, the shooter will be the
ONLY one to touch the gun until it is shown clear or otherwise.



2) Should the MSV penalty for retrieving a dropped or ejected round be removed if it can be done safely? i.e.:


24. Ammunition dropped
by a shooter in the course of loading or reloading any firearm during a
stage or "ejected" from any firearm may
be
SAFELY recovered or replaced from the shooter's person or other area as
required by stage description. If the round is not fired it is counted
as a missed shot.


SHB p.23 / RO1 p.19



3) Recently, the issue of modifying rifle triggers
from a curved profile to a straight profile has been discussed. This
modification sets the trigger closer to the lever so it is less likely
to wound the shooter's trigger finger. The RO Committee has determined
that this modification is an illegal modification according to the SASS
Firearms Covenants, but requires a rule change to allow it.



The RO Committee is looking
into setting limits on how much re-profiling can be done. Further
discussion ensued about modifying triggers for guns other than lever
action rifles, and a suggestion was made for ONLY allowing re-profiling
triggers on lever action rifles.


Enforcement of this particular rule will be at the discretion of each match director until such time as it comes before the TGs for a vote



4) Should the Bisley hammer/grip frame restrictions from the SHB "Firearms Covenants" be removed?

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Roo says projected posting is around "dinner time"...whenever that is.

 

;)

 

(I s'pose it depends on where ya live & which meal ya call "dinner")

Here in Texas it is past dinner time. ha

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Eastern, Central, Mountain or Pacific time?

 

My understanding is that ifn you live EST and wear Wranglers, it will be around 8:00 ish.

 

ifn you live CST and wear Levis, it will be around 7:00 ish

 

But ifn you live Pacific time, and promote the Baptist category, it will be around 6:00 ish.

 

 

Whats the Call?

 

 

..........Widder

 

PST here.

 

Roo is from MD, but the meeting was in MO...don't know which zone he's using.

 

...Baptist? ...not hardly! (no offense intended)

 

13MWZ's standard daily wear

 

^_^

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So let me get this right:

 

If the lever closes without anything in the action No Call.

 

Can't pick up Ammo.

 

Straight rifle triggers are OK (to some point).

 

Bisley hammers are OK now on non Bisley pistols.

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Regional/local club rules generally prevail...this oughta give y'all something to fret about until this evening's news:

:P

7:00 AM - First meal of the day = Breakfast

9:30 AM - Mid-morning "lite" = Brunch

Noon - Mid-day = Lunch (except on weekends/holidays, then it's Dinner)

6:00 PM Evening meal = Supper or Dinner (unless one has breakfast food; then it's Breakfast again)

7:00 PM Friday = Pizza night

(times approximate)

Well, there you have it. Is Pizza mandatory for Friday nights? Could Monday Night Football be substituted? Trying to avoid a "P", even though a "Miss" of a Pizza cannot lead to a "P". Is that correct? MT

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Voting results that I heard are:

1) Yes

2) No

3) Yes

4) Yes

 

1)

If the lever closes on a long gun after it is set down open, should

there be a "no call" if it is, in fact empty, or a penalty if a spent

case or round is ejected? If the gun closes, the shooter will be the

ONLY one to touch the gun until it is shown clear or otherwise.

2) Should the MSV penalty for retrieving a dropped or ejected round be removed if it can be done safely? i.e.:

24. Ammunition dropped

by a shooter in the course of loading or reloading any firearm during a

stage or "ejected" from any firearm may be

SAFELY recovered or replaced from the shooter's person or other area as

required by stage description. If the round is not fired it is counted

as a missed shot.

SHB p.23 / RO1 p.19

 

3) Recently, the issue of modifying rifle triggers

from a curved profile to a straight profile has been discussed. This

modification sets the trigger closer to the lever so it is less likely

to wound the shooter's trigger finger. The RO Committee has determined

that this modification is an illegal modification according to the SASS

Firearms Covenants, but requires a rule change to allow it.

 

The RO Committee is looking

into setting limits on how much re-profiling can be done. Further

discussion ensued about modifying triggers for guns other than lever

action rifles, and a suggestion was made for ONLY allowing re-profiling

triggers on lever action rifles.

Enforcement of this particular rule will be at the discretion of each match director until such time as it comes before the TGs for a vote

4) Should the Bisley hammer/grip frame restrictions from the SHB "Firearms Covenants" be removed?

JS,

You are correct.

 

Al sent you an e-mail with minutes and vote.

 

bb

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One correction or update for PWBs list...

 

Brunch, for us persons of shorter stature known as hobbits, is called second breakfast if indeed breakfast was also eaten.

 

My hats off to TGs and ROC members who have dedicated so much time and energy to this sport. I don't know that you could pay me enough money to sit thru some of those meetings if they are anything like I imagine they are.

 

Grizz

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Regional/local club rules generally prevail...this oughta give y'all something to fret about until this evening's news:

:P

7:00 AM - First meal of the day = Breakfast

9:30 AM - Mid-morning "lite" = Brunch

Noon - Mid-day = Lunch (except on weekends/holidays, then it's Dinner)

6:00 PM Evening meal = Supper or Dinner (unless one has breakfast food; then it's Breakfast again)

7:00 PM Friday = Pizza night

(times approximate)

 

+1

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JS,

You are correct.

 

Al sent you an e-mail with minutes and vote.

 

bb

 

 

Thanks Billy.

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When do these rule changes officially take affect??

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1)

If the lever closes on a long gun after it is set down open, should

there be a "no call" if it is, in fact empty, or a penalty if a spent

case or round is ejected? If the gun closes, the shooter will be the

ONLY one to touch the gun until it is shown clear or otherwise.

 

 

I was really hoping to see the wording on this one corrected before it was voted on.

The proper phrasing should have been "Action" not lever.

 

There are a number of long guns used in our game that "may" close when set down - only a certain % of them have levers.

By using the term "Lever" instead of action - they have now created two different rules.

An 1887 shotgun now has a different rules criteria than a SxS or 97.

A 73/ 92/ 94 now has different rules than a Lightning.

 

Before I am told to "Just use common sense" - Words have specific meaning and to use "Lever" instead of "Action" has opened up a double standard of rules application for the same "infraction"

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When do these rule changes officially take affect??

 

Verifying that.

IMO...there is no reason that the two 'modification' items should not be in effect immediately.

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1)

 

If the lever closes on a long gun after it is set down open, should

 

there be a "no call" if it is, in fact empty, or a penalty if a spent

 

case or round is ejected? If the gun closes, the shooter will be the

 

ONLY one to touch the gun until it is shown clear or otherwise.

 

 

I was really hoping to see the wording on this one corrected before it was voted on.

The proper phrasing should have been "Action" not lever.

 

There are a number of long guns used in our game that "may" close when set down - only a certain % of them have levers.

By using the term "Lever" instead of action - they have now created two different rules.

An 1887 shotgun now has a different rules criteria than a SxS or 97.

A 73/ 92/ 94 now has different rules than a Lightning.

 

Before I am told to "Just use common sense" - Words have specific meaning and to use "Lever" instead of "Action" has opened up a double standard of rules application for the same "infraction"

Creeker,

I believe the wording was changed to emphasis long gun meant shotgun as well. I have set an empty shotgun down before and it closed. I am glad this agenda item passed so to maybe help TOs in their efforts to do their job as efficient as possible. As I read the minutes I believe helpingTO was definetely entered into the discussion, which probably helped the vote. Ya know it takes 2/3 to carry. That's why the dropped round did not carry, not 2/3s. 2/3s can be tough when less than half the clubs are represented by attendance or proxy. IMO, there is no reason why club should not at least have a proxy unless they just flat do not care.

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Verifying that.

IMO...there is no reason that the two 'modification' items should not be in effect immediately.

Agreed, I was more worried about the "lever" rule. When does that take affect?

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Creeker,

I believe the wording was changed to emphasis long gun meant shotgun as well. I have set an empty shotgun down before and it closed. I am glad this agenda item passed so to maybe help TOs in their efforts to do their job as efficient as possible. As I read the minutes I believe helpingTO was definetely entered into the discussion, which probably helped the vote. Ya know it takes 2/3 to carry. That's why the dropped round did not carry, not 2/3s. 2/3s can be tough when less than half the clubs are represented by attendance or proxy. IMO, there is no reason why club should not at least have a proxy unless they just flat do not care.

 

Billy

 

I believe what he is addressing is the fact that the rule change specifies "Levers", not actions. There is no lever on a pump shotgun, or a pump rifle, or a SxS SG, or most single shot SG's. The new rule will cover Lever action rifles only. This also flies in the face of the clarification that has been made that it is the condition of the action or bolt that determines whether a long gun is open or closed, not the position of the lever.

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I thought the wording of No.1 was to be action and not lever so that it included all long guns.

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The lever must be opened as usual, however, if it closes in the process of restaging it, it is a no call providing that the gun is indeed empty. If it is not the normal penalties would be applied.

 

It is also noted that a closed gun must be cleared by the actual shooter, not a posse worker. So, it stays put until the shooter is clearing the stage. Action is to be opend while still in the firing line.

 

Dinner is sometime after lunch. Actual posting time was shortly after lunch instead. Now play with that one :)

 

Roo

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I thought the wording of No.1 was to be action and not lever so that it included all long guns.

The wording on the ballot was changed to action instead of lever.

 

Roo

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Thanks for all the work Roo.

 

Hey, when you come to Texas you better forget lunch and sit down for dinner, after that comes supper. Then later maybe some Apple pie for after supper snack or should I say drink. lol

 

bb

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Voting results that I heard are:

...

4) Yes

 

4) Should the Bisley hammer/grip frame restrictions from the SHB "Firearms Covenants" be removed?

Well... we've certainly come a long, long way from "no external modificatons... And I'm no longer sure it's in the direction the founders foresaw.

 

I suspect we should just drop the pretext... and declare an "open" category to allow pro sponsorship for those that wish such... and all that it entails.

 

I KNOW I'm certainly in the minority... but the whole game has changed... And while I don't like some of the things in WB... I applaud the current hold rules.

 

Go ahead... take your best shot.

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