Subdeacon Joe Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/how-gun-control-supporters-lie-to-themselves-each-other-and-us How Gun Control Supporters Lie to Themselves, Each Other, and Us Sep 17, 201310:31PM Category: Politics Posted by: Michael Z. Williamson These are so common they should be an FAQ. "Nobody wants to take away your guns." How you lie to yourselves: This huge list of people http://coldservings.livejournal.com/51731.html wantto take away our guns. You can't claim it's only rhetoric. You can'tclaim it doesn't matter. You can't claim it's a fabrication or "out ofcontext." They have stated so, repeatedly, in public. Anyone repeating"no one wants to take away your guns" is deluding themselves into afalse moral high ground. If you are one of these people, knowing this, you have a couple ofchoices: Contact all the above people and express your objections, oradmit that you're okay with people taking away our guns. In which case,you're lying to us, too. ~~~ "No right is absolute. Nobody would claim the Second Amendment protects a right to own a nuclear bomb." How you lie to us: You aren't interested in nukes. However, your next statement isgoing to be, "So of course we can reasonably draw the line at 'assaultweapons'." At which point you're conflating a common, self-loadingrifle, which has been in existence for over a century, and fires bulletsat people, with a nuclear device capable of destroying cities. Sure,1763 Joules is almost the same as 5,439,200,000,000,000,000 (5.4392X10^18 ) Joules.No, not really. If you are one of these people, you're lying. We know you're lying. You also have a ridiculous obsession with guns, if you can even pretendto compare them to nukes. (FYI, there's absolutely a valid claim thatthe Second Amendment protects the right to own nuclear bombs.) ~~~ "High capacity clips." By this, you mean any MAGAZINE, not clip, that holds "a lot." You're counting on your toes and running out. How you're lying to us: In fact, the AR15 and the military M16 started with 20 roundmagazines in 1959. They moved to a 30 round magazine in 1973. TheAK-47 was first fielded in ...1947. It has had a 30 round magazine asits standard all along. That's 66 years. So what makes it "highcapacity" now? That someone not in this field of expertise doesn't likeit doesn't change the definitions. You can't arrogate that authorityto yourself. You can't even decide what constitutes "high capacity." It varies by jurisdiction from 30 to 20 to 15 to 12 to 10 to 7. Based on what criteria? And, if you get to define it as 10, then 7,as has happened, why not 5 (standard capacity in 1893)? 4 (standard in1859)? 1 (standard back to the 1500s)? This is very clearly an attempt to ban guns (oh, right--you don'tactually want to ban guns. See above). It's just a dishonest attempt. But go ahead, tell me why X rounds is "enough," and what task it'senough for, and your credentials for making that statement. You can'tanswer those questions, because you're lying. What you mean is, "I want to find ways to make it tough for people to own guns." ~~~ "At the time the Constititution was written, people only had muskets." Why you're lying: Actually, no. There were repeating firearms even then. But that'sirrelevant. In 1789, gays couldn't marry. Are you pushing for that? "Free speech" meant wood type or standing in the city square. Whatabout that? Things develop and improve over time. Why don't you trybeing liberal, and embrace the 21st Century, rather than being stuck in1789? Wait, I know your response: "Those don't kill people." Why you're STILL lying: Pedophiles make copious use of the internet to share files thatexploit, hurt, and kill kids. Please justify why you need internet inyour home? What's wrong with reasonable regulation? Background checks? Why can't you access the internet from a library, where your browserhistory can be monitored? You're lying. Stop wasting your time. BTW, gay marriage aside, AIDS spread by gay men kills as many peopleas guns. Are you pushing for mandatory blood tests and condom usage tosave lives? If not, you're lying. It's not about saving life. It's about you having an irrational fear of guns. ~~~~ "I have guns, and all mine are properly registered." How you're lying: Almost no state or local jurisdiction in the US actually registersfirearms. So unless you happen to live in one of those, you're eitherfabricating entirely to try to don the cloak of credibility, or, youdon't actually know anything about the law. So perhaps you shouldn't beexpressing an opinion on a subject you don't understand. Either way,lies and ignorance are poor tactics for debate. ~~~ "We just want to save children's lives." Why you're lying: If it was about children's lives, booze and incidents involving boozekill more people than in incidents involving guns, A LOT more childrenthan are killed in incidents involving guns, and there are zeronon-medical reasons a person "needs" booze. How many of you voiceanything about further restrictions on booze? You're quite likely partof the "booze culture" yourself. So you have no credibility. But try this to prove your position: Go to the morgue, find the bodyof a child hit by a drunk, and tell the parents, "Be glad they weren'tshot. That would be worse." Really. Do it. If you won't, you know your position is dishonest. So what it comesdown to is, "My vices are okay, but yours aren't, and I'm willing to lieto get what I want." You're not interested in saving children's lives. In fact, you'llgleefully dance on their graves if you think you'll gain politicalleverage, while you continue with acts that kill a lot more kids. Oh, and there's a stated constitutional right to my "vice" and SCOTUSagrees. So you're in the same "protect the children" crowd as the Klanprotecting kids from blacks, the anti-gay crowd protecting kids fromgays, and the anti-porn crusaders. And that's exactly how we see you--a bunch of dishonest, loudmouthed, hypocritical bigots. Truth hurts, eh? - See more at:http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/item/how-gun-control-supporters-lie-to-themselves-each-other-and-us#sthash.h3idp3F8.dpuf Link to comment
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