Burly Bear Fred Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Last month a fella with one of those fancy AR's with a bull barrel on the bench next to me actually asked me if I was firing blanks in my virtual M1 Garrand. We was cycling em one at a time and it must have cornfuzzed him. Said Nope thems a 162 Grain cast with a gas check sized @ .310 dia. and if ya look through that fancy scope at the target you'll see that they are workin purty gud. LOL Darn whipper snappers just know that plinkin with a 30-06 is a lot of fun an cheap ta boot! Told him I could shoot a couple hundred and not break a sweat on the $$$$. Did have to ask " soooo how much ya payin fer them .223's anyway???" Felt purty gud to re fill them ta day on the blue machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share Posted April 14, 2013 Heard something that I don't quite trust. A fellow was talking about cutting down .223 brass to make a .30 caliber round for the M1 Carbine. According to my manuals, the .223 case dimensions are .378 x 1.760, and the M1 Carbine is .360 x 1.290. I suppose the length could be cut down and finished off, but the .018 difference in diameter, cause me to ponder. If the .223 was smaller in diameter I would think that a force fire would be possible. And perhaps a full size small base die would work for the Carbine. But, and there is always that pesky but, it would be a lot of work and questionable safety issues. ED: You would need to anneal the brass also. More labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 15, 2013 Author Share Posted April 15, 2013 Well, I broke down and installed the adjustable gas plug in my virtual M1 Garand, this week end. I also pulled some 150 grain bullets from some Korean cartridges with corrosive primers and will use them for reloads. Now if I can find the time to go to the range I will shoot off some rounds and check the function button on my virtual M1 Garand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burly Bear Fred Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Heard something that I don't quite trust. A fellow was talking about cutting down .223 brass to make a .30 caliber round for the M1 Carbine. According to my manuals, the .223 case dimensions are .378 x 1.760, and the M1 Carbine is .360 x 1.290. I suppose the length could be cut down and finished off, but the .018 difference in diameter, cause me to ponder. If the .223 was smaller in diameter I would think that a force fire would be possible. And perhaps a full size small base die would work for the Carbine. But, and there is always that pesky but, it would be a lot of work and questionable safety issues. ED: You would need to anneal the brass also. More labor. Don't know if ya could. The case volume might be a problem, being a slightly tapered case might also be a problem as well. Seems to be a lot of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Don't know if ya could. The case volume might be a problem, being a slightly tapered case might also be a problem as well. Seems to be a lot of trouble. I agree. Looks like the brass manufactures forgot about the cartridge though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 BMC there is still SOME brass out there , just a mite tough to find . ya just gotta keep lookin , fer em CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Well, that might be true, Chickasaw. But at some point it is going to run out. A lot of them little buggers are still in service. Then what to do, what to do. Since I don't have one and likely won't ever get one, I guess it is a moot point. Ran into an unsettling situation yesterday. I bought a RCBS Universal de-priming die. I was running some mil surplus brass and I broke off the de-priming pin. No problem, just change the pin, Right. Well, it has a SPECIAL rod for depriming and I can't get the pin out. I will have to call RCBS this morning to see what gives with that. They show that you need to replace the whole rod as a unit, in their web page. Seems kinda of self defeating to design it that way. Will find out more, late when I call them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 BMC I am thinkin there are some replacement pins , somewhere around here I just am not sure where , if you can break the pin loose , it should be replaceable ? or ya might be able to pull it out and replace it with a piece of round spring stock ? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 Well, Customer Service at RCBS is still alive. They are sending me a replacement rod for the die. Midway has them on back order until late June. This is an odd situation. The die is designed with a threaded rod and a female thread head with the pin inside. The pin is captured so you can't get it out. They sell the whole unit as a replacement part. I would think it would be more cost effective to sell the head only and package them in multiple units for the same price. Most folks would not need the whole unit, and if they did they could market that too. Sometimes I don't understand all I know. I really like the die. It allows me to deprime the brass and then dump it in the tumbler. Gets a lot cleaner. Then I can size it and finish reloading it. Time is on my side and the extra step is a labor of love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 My limited experience with the M1 Carbine would lead me to ask "Why". Too light, too loud and too ineffective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 16, 2013 Author Share Posted April 16, 2013 I am rapidly coming to that very same conclusion, Noz. I have not heard one fired since 1960, and I have ever even held one let alone shot one. I think I will file that on the shelf with Why do I need that. Besides, I got enough to work with now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 BMC if ya KNOW , how many ya got , YA AIN'T got enough CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 But they are all VIRTUAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 17, 2013 Share Posted April 17, 2013 BMC I know how many I got ZERO , none , NAA DA CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 17, 2013 Author Share Posted April 17, 2013 Got 48 brass cases (6 clips) cleaned and out of the tumbler tonight. Tomorrow I will deburr and clean the primer pockets. Going to reload them with some recipe that I got from Stubborn Dutchman. Might get to the range one of these days. Got a lunch date with Momma on Thursday. Maybe Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 BMC back to that BROKEN decapin die what is the dia. of the pin? is there enough to get hold of with a set of plyers ? you may be able to heat it up and get the old one out to replacw with round spring stock CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 I just saw a pistol on Weaponology that shoots 250,000 rounds a minute. No cases, just bullets. NO powder, just bullets no primer, just bullets. My kinda of gun. Look at what you could save on reloading. Wonder if it is SASS legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 BMC missed that show , what were they using as a propellent ? CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 Never did find out. But it was loaded in line with four barrels. Fired from an electric impulse. Get quite a clang outtn that one. Put three round through one hole before the pistol recoiled. I WANT ONE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 BMC thinking it has to be some kind of caseless ammo . kinda like the old Daisy VL 22 CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 18, 2013 Author Share Posted April 18, 2013 BMC back to that BROKEN decapin die what is the dia. of the pin? is there enough to get hold of with a set of plyers ? you may be able to heat it up and get the old one out to replacw with round spring stock CB The pin has a head on one end of it. Go to the RCBS website, get into the parts book and on page 23 there is a diagram of it. Will show you what I am talking about, as if I knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 BMC I could not get the site to show me nothing chased around it for a bit before I gave up on it CB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 BMC I could not get the site to show me nothing chased around it for a bit before I gave up on it CB It is not a user friendly site. If you google in RCBS and get their home page, go to the Resources pull down, click on it and go down to the Parts flag. Click on it and then scroll down to the bottom of the page and there is a page flag again. Click on it and it will take you to the parts catalog. Then scroll down to page 24 and the UNIVERSAL DECAPPING DIE is on the lower right side of the page. You can see the various parts there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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