High Noon with Gary Cooper

[Dutch Coroner]

Watched it again last night, only this time my 9 year old son watched it with me. He was engrossed. He didn't move until the movie was over.

 

Just a great movie.

[Swifty Morgan]

great movie!

[Waimea]

One of my Top 5 Favorites!

 

 

Waimea

 

[Cat Brules]

I don't care for the movie, just based on what I know about its reason for existence.

 

It was made as an allegory, symbolizing the abandonment by their colleagues, of socialist and communist party sympathizers in the entertainment industry who were called before the so-called "McCarthy" hearings in the 1950's.

 

The movie won four Academy Awards (only one, "best song," being legitimate in my view) and has since become one of the darlings of the Filmies, due to its Socialist political statements. I think it's nothing more than a B Western elevated to an undeserving status by the inbred, left wing, hollywood elitist crowd.

 

I am not saying the movie is a bad one, but it's not a great one and there's more to this tale than meets the eye.

 

Anyway, perhaps some will find my non-idealistic, more pragmatic view is not pertinent to a good story with a catchy tune.

 

Cat Brules

[Doc Nelson #19958]

Wasn't "Rio Bravo" John Wayne's answer to a whining Sheriff who sought help from everyone else to to his job?

 

That being said, "Art is in the eye of the beholder" so interpretation of movies is only up to the viewer.

 

Case in point, I've heard adults argue over whether or not the "Harry Potter" series was 'good against evil' or just glorifying witchcraft.

 

I own all of these movies.

 

Doc Nelson

[Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438]

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie.

 

LL

[Badlands Beady]

Myself, faced with a choice between Grace Kelley and almost certain death, I would've kept on goin'.

[Rye Miles #13621]

I don't care for the movie, just based on what I know about its reason for existence.

 

It was made as an allegory, symbolizing the abandonment by their colleagues, of socialist and communist party sympathizers in the entertainment industry who were called before the so-called "McCarthy" hearings in the 1950's.

 

The movie won four Academy Awards (only one, "best song," being legitimate in my view) and has since become one of the darlings of the Filmies, due to its Socialist political statements. I think it's nothing more than a B Western elevated to an undeserving status by the inbred, left wing, hollywood elitist crowd.

 

I am not saying the movie is a bad one, but it's not a great one and there's more to this tale than meets the eye.

 

Anyway, perhaps some will find my non-idealistic, more pragmatic view is not pertinent to a good story with a catchy tune.

 

Cat Brules

Cat I think yer over thinking this movie......geez....can't it just be about a good sheriff who lives in a town with a bunch of sissy men and has to stand up for law and order and also to protect his life??

 

McCarthy hearings??? Whoa pard, chill out!

 

Rye

[Boone]

I think we're over ananlizing a great movie.

Ya, in one scene he's walking down the street with his vest buttoned and wearing a pocket watch, turnes the corner and his vest is open and no watch;

but it's a great movie!!

[Cat Brules]

Cat I think yer over thinking this movie......geez....can't it just be about a good sheriff who lives in a town with a bunch of sissy men and has to stand up for law and order and also to protect his life??

 

McCarthy hearings??? Whoa pard, chill out!

 

Rye

 

You, señor, are entitled to your opinion and I, mine. I'll also say that you are entitled to disagree passionately, if you wish, but don't take cheap shots at me in the process ... "pard." It's disappointing how these simple discussions go south when someone ridicules the opinions of another. You "chill out" and watch the film every day, if that suits you. Hell, I'll even send you my copy and buy a new one if it makes it easier for you.

 

Wasn't "Rio Bravo" John Wayne's answer to a whining Sheriff who sought help from everyone else to to his job?

 

That being said, "Art is in the eye of the beholder" so interpretation of movies is only up to the viewer.

 

Case in point, I've heard adults argue over whether or not the "Harry Potter" series was 'good against evil' or just glorifying witchcraft.

 

I own all of these movies.

 

Doc Nelson

 

Doc, I think you are right on all counts. Howard Hawks made Rio Bravo and directed it and I think it is possible (as is written) that it was also his intent to "answer" the messages in High Noon in the process. I beleive John Wayne was also critical of the film, but, John Wayne, being John Wayne, went to the Academy Awards that year and graciouosly accepted Gary Cooper's High Noon Oscar for him.

 

I have trouble keeping Rio Bravo and Eldorado straight in my mind, because they are both Howard Hawks/John Wayne films and have virtually the same darn plot/story line. Anyway, I think that as a film, High Noon holds up over time well, as does Rio Bravo, probably because of the well-known actors; all a credit to their craft. That makes a huge difference. Neither film deserved an Oscar, in my opinion, other than High Noon's Best Song award.

 

As for the Harry Potter films, it's tough for me to see the point that they glorify witchcraft, as such, because, well, they were fantasy stories about magic, a favorite kids' topic. I think they just evolved as the author got more involved. While the author's point in writing the books may not specifically have been about good vs. evil, that certainly is a good argument. Who knows, though? Personally, I watched those films the same way most people probably watched High Noon .... for their pure entertainment value. So you're right about art being in the eye of the beholder.

Cat Brules

[Trigger Mike]

I don't care for the movie, just based on what I know about its reason for existence.

 

It was made as an allegory, symbolizing the abandonment by their colleagues, of socialist and communist party sympathizers in the entertainment industry who were called before the so-called "McCarthy" hearings in the 1950's.

 

The movie won four Academy Awards (only one, "best song," being legitimate in my view) and has since become one of the darlings of the Filmies, due to its Socialist political statements. I think it's nothing more than a B Western elevated to an undeserving status by the inbred, left wing, hollywood elitist crowd.

 

I am not saying the movie is a bad one, but it's not a great one and there's more to this tale than meets the eye.

 

Anyway, perhaps some will find my non-idealistic, more pragmatic view is not pertinent to a good story with a catchy tune.

 

Cat Brules

I have heard that as well. I like the movie just the same, mainly because of the tune and I like westerns. Gary Cooper is a good actor. He made the right choice to stay and fight

[J-BAR #18287]

I find it agonizingly slow paced. I watch it because I like seeing Bob Wilke and Lee Van Cleef and Sheb Wooley and Thomas Mitchell and Lon Chaney Jr. and Lloyd Bridges and Katy Jurado and Grace Kelly.

 

Cooper is a fine actor but he was miscast....'way too old for Ms. Kelly.

[Tom Bullweed]

I like to think that the men (and women) of the west were the sort who had defeated the Brits (twice), fought each other for four ugly years, fought the Indians and the environment to settle in a new land. I like to think that these people were more like those of Northfield, MN than those in this movie.

[Buffalo Creek Law Dog]

I like to think that the men (and women) of the west were the sort who had defeated the Brits (twice), fought each other for four ugly years, fought the Indians and the environment to settle in a new land. I like to think that these people were more like those of Northfield, MN than those in this movie.

You mention, "defeated the Brits (twice)." I am aware of the War of Independance but, not aware of the second defeat, when and where did that take place? Just curious.

 

Cheers!

[Mean Matt McCord, SASS #24683]

Katy Jurado...sigh.

[Trigger Mike]

You mention, "defeated the Brits (twice)." I am aware of the War of Independance but, not aware of the second defeat, when and where did that take place? Just curious.

 

Cheers!

war of 1812

[Trigger Mike]

I like to think that the men (and women) of the west were the sort who had defeated the Brits (twice), fought each other for four ugly years, fought the Indians and the environment to settle in a new land. I like to think that these people were more like those of Northfield, MN than those in this movie.

you'd think that but I have seen people who got accustomed to peace and forgot how to keep it. If that movie happened today, how many in your neighborhood would hide and how many would help if asked.

[Irish Tom]

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie.

 

LL

Loophole, you get my vote for best answer.

[Ranger Clayton Conagher #43872]

war of 1812

 

Funny how so many people forget that war. If you ever come shoot with my club, The Sackets Harbor Vigilantes, after you are done shooting you can go to historic Sacket Harbor just 5 min. away and see the barracks and the history from that war.

[Buckshot Frank]

I loved the movie. I really liked the real-time pacing of it. Really built up the suspense. Almost had a Hitchcock feel to it. And everyone thought that "24" was revolutionary 50 years later...

 

I've heard the rumblings about John Wayne hating it because it was communist, or something to that effect. I couldn't care less. I liked the movie.

[Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438]

Loophole, you get my vote for best answer.

 

Thank ya kindly, Tom.

 

LL

[Trigger Mike]

my complaint about the movie is mainly the preacher. What a sorry waste of pulpit he was. weakling

[Buffalo Creek Law Dog]

war of 1812

With all due respect but, Canada won the War of 1812, U.S. historian admits. John Hopkins university professor, Eliot Cohen, a senior adviser to former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, writes in his just published book Conquered into Liberty, that , "Ultimately, Canada and Canadians won the War of 1812. Ten American armies crossed into Canada and all were driven out. Johnny Horton's Battle of New Orleans doesn't count as it was fought after the peace treaty was signed (word just hadn't got down there yet). All U.S. conquered land was returned to the U.S. including the city of Detroit. Just as an aside, Major General Sir Issac Brock was knighted posthumously for his taking of Detroit , he was killed when the U.S. troops were repulsed crossing the Niagara River at Queenston Heights.

[Trigger Mike]

With all due respect but, Canada won the War of 1812, U.S. historian admits. John Hopkins university professor, Eliot Cohen, a senior adviser to former U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, writes in his just published book Conquered into Liberty, that , "Ultimately, Canada and Canadians won the War of 1812. Ten American armies crossed into Canada and all were driven out. Johnny Horton's Battle of New Orleans doesn't count as it was fought after the peace treaty was signed (word just hadn't got down there yet). All U.S. conquered land was returned to the U.S. including the city of Detroit. Just as an aside, Major General Sir Issac Brock was knighted posthumously for his taking of Detroit , he was killed when the U.S. troops were repulsed crossing the Niagara River at Queenston Heights.

well, I figure since the brits got beat in Maryland after burning Washington that it is enough to show they would not have signed the treaty had they thought they could have won the colonies back. I still count New Orleans(actually Chalmette, LA) has part of the war even though it was technically fought after the treaty. I figure it was the hand of God working against the brits, as after they burned Washington the brits got hit with a hurricane and made American victory possible.