Dakota Doc Martin, SASS #21774 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, March 3, 2013, 9:55 PM This is getting a little creepy.According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm. DHS also purchased 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP). Modern Survival Blog reported: The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S.Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine ResistantProtected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States. Although I’ve seen and read several online blurbs about this vehicleof late, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about thevehicle itself. The new DHS sanctioned ‘Street Sweeper’ (my ownslang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense(NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization.Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies includingInternational Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV(recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce(diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company). http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/obama-dhs-purchases-2700-light-armored-tanks-to-go-with-their-1-6-billion-bullet-stockpile/ Link to comment
Brasspounder Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Hmmm.. The "Govt" buying these massive quantities of ammunition, and all these "street ready" assault vehicles... I think it is high time we were rattling the cages of our congress persons and see what they have to say about all this. Looks kinda scary to me. When I see them start to turn the three strands of razor wire on the local Army post perimiter fences INWARDS instead of OUTWARDs, then I'll start to worry even more....That'll probably mean that's where the "concentration camps" are going to be located. Link to comment
T. H. O' Sullivan Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Seems like elements of DHS are being turned into some kind of para-military organization. Seems like a good way to circumvent posse comitatus. Take a look at the picture. As a former Army officer note the anti-RPG fencing (slat armour) on the back and sides. Now, how many RPGs do we have here in the U.S.? This is not your standard SWAT vehicle. This DHS vehicle is set up for personnel insertion or extraction in a war zone that is resistant to Rocket Propelled Grenades and Improvised Explosive Devices (mines). Link to comment
Dakota Doc Martin, SASS #21774 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 This DHS vehicle is set up for personnel insertion or extraction in a war zone that is resistant to Rocket Propelled Grenades and Improvised Explosive Devices (mines). I hope it doesn't have to come down to that. But, apparently they are bracing for something. Be vigilant. Link to comment
Guest Texas Jack Black Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Can be taken out with a shape charge and very easy to build. Link to comment
Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 http://washingtonexaminer.com/eric-h...rticle/2523319Attorney General Eric Holder can imagine ascenario in which it would be constitutional to carry out a drone strikeagainst and American on American soil, he wrote in a letter to Sen.Rand Paul, R-Ky.“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine anextraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary andappropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the UnitedStates for the President to authorize the military to use lethal forcewithin the territory of the United States,” Holder replied in a letteryesterday to Paul’s question about whether Obama “has the power toauthorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizenon U.S. soil, and without trial.”Paul condemned the idea. “The U.S. AttorneyGeneral’s refusal to rule out the possibility of drone strikes onAmerican citizens and on American soil is more than frightening – it isan affront the Constitutional due process rights of all Americans,” hesaid in a statement.Holder noted that Paul’s question was “entirelyhypothetical [and] unlikely to occur,” but cited the September 11, 2001terrorist attacks as the type of incidents that might provoke such aresponse.“Were such an emergency to arise, I would examinethe particular facts and circumstances before advising the President onthe scope of his authority,” he concluded.Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, an attorney and Judiciary Committee member, told The Washington Examiner last month that the drone policy so far outlined by the administration is too vague.“That has the potential to swallow the rule,” Leesaid after the drone program white paper was leaked. “If you’re going toregard somebody as presenting an imminent threat of an attack on theU.S. simply because you have concluded that they are an ‘operationalleader’ or they are involved in planning an attack in one way oranother, you find yourself giving way to much discretion to thegovernment.”Lee said that the White House should release theformal legal analysis underpinning the drone program. “We know that insome instances where the government has released its legal analysis, itgets it wrong,” he said. Link to comment
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 If it doesn't have tracks, it's not a tank. Link to comment
T. H. O' Sullivan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 If it doesn't have tracks, it's not a tank. I used to have a 1975 Ford F250 with 460 cubic inch V8. It got at best 10 mpg and that was going downhill in neutral with a tailwind. My Dad called that driving technique "Georgia Overdrive". Anyway, that Ford was a Tank. However, you are correct on the military nomenclature, and they will be faster targets to hit than a tracked vehicle in the event of a social and economic collapse. I wonder how easy you can tip one over? Link to comment
Dakota Doc Martin, SASS #21774 Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 I wonder how easy you can tip one over? Putting a big hole under one might be even better. Link to comment
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Actually I have more presisng issues to be concerned with than the possibility of Ms Napolitano bearing down on me in an armored fighting vehicle. Link to comment
Longhorn Jack Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Seems like elements of DHS are being turned into some kind of para-military organization. Seems like a good way to circumvent posse comitatus. Take a look at the picture. As a former Army officer note the anti-RPG fencing (slat armour) on the back and sides. Now, how many RPGs do we have here in the U.S.? This is not your standard SWAT vehicle. This DHS vehicle is set up for personnel insertion or extraction in a war zone that is resistant to Rocket Propelled Grenades and Improvised Explosive Devices (mines). The posse comitatus act was taken out of the law books last year sometime around february 2012 I believe. When our illustrious leader signed the new DHS laws in the middle of the night when noone was paying attention. I cant remember which proposal it was in but posse comitatus no longer exists. As soon as he did that it gave him the authority to use the united states military on the streets of america as his own law enforcement agency. What a Country were turning out to be. As Sarah Palin posted on facebook last week "Stick a fork in us we are done. It's only a matter of time." Link to comment
T. H. O' Sullivan Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Actually I have more presisng issues to be concerned with than the possibility of Ms Napolitano bearing down on me in an armored fighting vehicle. You are certainly correct. Figuring out what one does with their 30 round AR mags in the State of Colorado will be an issue. Your description of Big Sis cruising around in an armored fighting vehicle brings an image to mind of one Michael Dukakis, sporting helmet in the turret of a tank. Link to comment
Dusty Balz, SASS#46599 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 Hear tell DHS does not take an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, anyone know? Link to comment
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 You are certainly correct. Figuring out what one does with their 30 round AR mags in the State of Colorado will be an issue. Your description of Big Sis cruising around in an armored fighting vehicle brings an image to mind of one Michael Dukakis, sporting helmet in the turret of a tank. Link to comment
Utah Bob #35998 Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 We seem to be wandering afield from the purpose of this forum, gentlemen. So I'll just take my leave. Link to comment
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