Subdeacon Joe Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/09/Backfire-Obamacare-Forbids-Gun-and-Ammo-Registration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 YES ! AT LONG LAST SOME GOOD NEWS ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowhouse Sam # 25171 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 YES ! AT LONG LAST SOME GOOD NEWS ! I don't know Hawk, this guy is just a journalist. Read the comments and maybe you can make some sense out of it. I can't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Some of the comments after the article indicate that it may be more restrictive than a broad 2nd Amendment support. But then again how many want to read a 2000 page bill that morons wrote to enslave the American public to an unnecessary healthcare plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 If this is true, (not that I doubt Subdeacon Joe, but geez, you know...) then it must be the end of the world. I could never imagine that I would be happy with anything Harry Reid has done or any provision of Obamacare. Wow. Just...Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Full document from FullDocument Here is an copy of the section pertaining to firearms. I found this section by searching for "firearm" Sorry about the formatting. ‘© PROTECTION OF SECOND AMENDMENT GUN RIGHTS.—øAs added by section 10101(e)(2)¿ ‘‘(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS.—A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any in- formation relating to— ‘‘(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or ‘‘( the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual. ‘‘(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the au- thorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protec- tion and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the col- lection of any information relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; ‘‘( the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘© the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition. ‘‘(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.—None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition. ‘‘(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE.—A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a June 9, 2010 VerDate 0ct 09 2002 13:03 Jun 09, 2010 Jkt 000000 PO 00000 Frm 00020 Fmt 9001 Sfmt 6601 F:\P11\NHI\COMP\PPACACON.005 HOLCPC 21 PPACA (Consolidated) Sec. 1001\2718 PHSA wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amend- ment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘( the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammuni- tion. ‘‘(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS.—No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to— ‘‘(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or ‘‘( the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Heard some discussion about this today. Harry ain't happy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 If this is true, (not that I doubt Subdeacon Joe, but geez, you know...) then it must be the end of the world. I could never imagine that I would be happy with anything Harry Reid has done or any provision of Obamacare. Wow. Just...Wow. :lol:/> :lol:/> :lol:/> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowhouse Sam # 25171 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Heard some discussion about this today. Harry ain't happy.... :rolleyes:/> Boy, I sure hope peaceful sleep doesn't evade me tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 And do you really think that someone willing to side step the constitution and congress will have any problem side stepping this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowhouse Sam # 25171 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 And do you really think that someone willing to side step the constitution and congress will have any problem side stepping this? Nope! Not me! After watching slick Willie for 8 yrs methinks them skunks can get by with most anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 And do you really think that someone willing to side step the constitution and congress will have any problem side stepping this? Take em 5 minutes to amend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Take em 5 minutes to amend it. But it would have to get the approval of the House. Any chance the House Republicans could grow a spine in time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted January 10, 2013 Author Share Posted January 10, 2013 If this is true, (not that I doubt Subdeacon Joe, but geez, you know...) then it must be the end of the world. I could never imagine that I would be happy with anything Harry Reid has done or any provision of Obamacare. Wow. Just...Wow. Hey, it's something I found towards the end of my break at work and I just tossed it out for others to read. Doubt away and research it. As others have said, it gets confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Beady Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Read a news story about it yesterday on the CNN site. As I remember it, Reid inserted it into the healthcare bill after he and LaPierre attended the opening of a new shooting range in Colorado together. Apparently, the two struck a deal to avoid NRA involvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Cherokee, SASS#48332 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 OR.. They might try to make it increasingly difficult to be a "Legal gun owner"..Stuff like finding any piddling reason whatsoever to declare a person "mentally incompetant"..Like for example, having attention defecit disorder..Or a possible "threat" because of a petition or something they signed at some time in the past.. I don't know-2013 sure ain't starting out so good..All I've been hearing so far this year on the TV, radio, and computer is gun control retoric..Really depressing.. I guess I shouldn't be saying anything about being depressed on a public forum though..It might get me put on "THE LIST".. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Beady Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 So far that's all it is, is rhetoric. Feinstein's bill doesn't stand a chance, IMHO. That bit about your guns passing to the government when you die, alone, is enough to kill it. Certainly no Dem from this state would vote for it (especially Sanders). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Cherokee, SASS#48332 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Most of it is rhetoric and political grandstanding..But the problem is right now we enough left-wingers in power to pass a lot of idiotic legislation that wouldn't have stood a chance only a few years back.. We were watching a movie from the mid-70's this morning-"Across The Great Divide"..Like a lot of the wilderness-oriented movies from that era a little on the sappy side but still a good flick, and one you could sit down with the kids and watch..It got us to thinking back on that era and how there was a sense of hope back then that has all but disappeared nowadays..Back then the big issues were things like cleaning up the environment and corruption in the government, crap like gun control and gay marriage were not even issues to be considered.. Dang, I miss those days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I think you guys are mistaken in your interpretation. but I may be wrong. Just see what I read. It specifically states this applies to the Secretary of Health (I presume), "wellness and prevention plans", the implementation of Obamacare and any subsequent amendments. Nothing said about powers extending beyond Obamacare or the Secretary. This was only to address keeping healthcare providers form being data collectors for the government. Doesn't mean the EPA or dog catcher couldn't be commissioned to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldust Dan, SASS #2631Life Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 The key wording is "lawful possession." Congress can pass a law making firearm or ammunition ownership, possession, storage, etc., illegal and this clause is completely invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Dirty Dan has it correct. One of the things that got this quoted language into place, was concerns that insurance could / would deny or raise some's insurance rate because they had firearms. Along the same lines as some public housing has required people to not own firearms to qualify, some pedi-doctors tell firearms owners that they are endangering children, CDC tried for years to claim firearms are public health menace. etc. Sadly it does not have any effect on anything outside of the obamacare bill arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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